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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Bulldozing old orchards to save water on westside in Firebaugh.
    http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/01/18/...y-farmers.html

    Turlock situation
    http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2014/01...t-farmers.html

    Modesto decides against "charging" the canals to flow January water to tree crops.
    http://www.modbee.com/2014/01/14/313...t-leaders.html

    Fresno Bee editorializes for Well Pumping regulation due to Almond wells in Stanislaus
    http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/01/15/...ders-must.html

    Oakdale rejects Almond farmer's request, plans on export sale of allotment
    http://www.modbee.com/2014/01/21/314...trict-may.html
    Last edited by JWChesnut; 01-22-2014 at 10:32 AM.

  2. #42
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Most of California's almonds are grown in climate division 5, which is called the San Joaquin drainage: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/us...es/climmap.gif

    2013 was the driest year ever in climate division 5 since records were kept beginning in 1895: http://imageshack.com/a/img843/9269/8byp.jpg

  3. #43
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ridge/22409533 Excerpt: "While it will rain again, our very-long-range models continue to say that precipitation will average below, to much below, normal in central and Southern California the rest of the rainfall season."

  4. #44
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Time for a serious dose of reality. All of the California yards coming out of the almonds might as well be considered worthless if the are not irrigated. Even those are going to be marginal as all the wildflowers on the fringes are non existent. As of today the we have hit a new milestone. See:

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-in-500-years/

    By this weekend we are going to be watering our almonds from the well for the second time this winter. Even after watering a few weeks back the ground is still hard as a rock.

    Every day the rain continues to be held at bay the more I get concerned about queen production as well as the quantity of packages that are going to get made up in California. Ouch!!!!!!

  5. #45
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post
    Every day the rain continues to be held at bay
    Been reading this thread as it grows, read the articles in the links. Just reminds me of something I say to folks around here a lot. Our little corner of the world in the pacific northwest is unique in this world. In the vast majority of the world, value of land is defined by the availability of water. Here in our little corner, the value of land is defined by the availability of drainage. Any spot without good drainage, quickly becomes a swamp.

    I saw the prices you folks pay for water in some of those links, wowsers. If we could just figure out a way to make my property drain onto yours, we'd all be laughing. I've only got a couple acres, but, it's already had over a foot of rain this year, and lots more in the short term forecast. We have a stream cutting our property in half, and on the weekend, that stream almost overtopped a 16 inch culvert, had me worried for a while. It's doing a lot better today, theres 4 inches of headroom, and growing. We have two more of those, one on the front and another on the back property line, all carrying roughly the same amount of water.

    Reading a thread like this helps remind me at times, water is indeed a blessing, and not the curse we view it as at times.

  6. #46
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Severe drought guidance issued for Almonds --
    http://thealmonddoctor.com/2014/01/1...ations-almond/

    "UC researchers have urged growers not to take aggressive actions in reducing tree size or crop load in response to the West side water shortages this year. Severe pruning will increase new growth which would increase the leaf surface and evapo-transpiration rates (ETc) of the tree. Crop thinning has a similar effect and is also not recommended."
    .......................
    " In general, if the tree is able to maintain some of its leaves until the fall, the tree probably will survive. Yields will be affected severely for the next 2 years. This year would be a good year to remove older blocks with declining production and divert the water to younger blocks if possible."

  7. #47
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Was just advised there is a small amount of bloom on an early variety (Sonora) in one of my orchards I pollinate. crazy

  8. #48
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Question is????? How many of those loads from Texas and Florida are still sitting waited to be loaded. Forecast for a day in the 80's here next week. If that doesn't get them popping nothing will?

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Thanks for the heads up Matt. After reading you post I decided to run out back and see how ours were fairing. From the looks of it I think we will have Winters open By Wednesday ( january 29) and some nons open by Thursday January 30. Night time temps are up. They will go now.

  10. #50
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    So the almost unheard of is happening. Pollen set in California Almonds by Feb 1st. I sure hope the truck drivers are careful. Nobody likes to clean up a load of spilled bees.
    DarJones - 44 years, 10 colonies (max 40), sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 11 frame broodnest, small cell

  11. #51
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Sounds like most loads are leaving Fl starting next week and the following, most are shipping out the 1st and 2nd of Feb.
    Nick

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Bees are moving out of texas like crazy. Couldnt ask for better loading weather.

    wondering about the nectar flow with the drought?

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MNbees View Post

    wondering about the nectar flow with the drought?
    Nectar flow......... Funny...... This year it will known to come from only one source...... The silver tipped syrup hose as we say when using its common name. Beekeepers here call it the Bee welfare bonnet After the almonds its about all they will find.

  14. #54
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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Quote Originally Posted by swarm_trapper View Post
    Sounds like most loads are leaving Fl starting next week and the following, most are shipping out the 1st and 2nd of Feb.
    Nick
    How many day trip is it? Sounds like somebody needs to step up the time frame. That or put them on a C5.

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    I was wondering about the almond nectar.

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    If its 61 or 62 degrees and above your chances are pretty good in the afternoons. In the 50's it gets pretty dicey. All depends on what we get dealt temp wise once they are rolling. If the weather stays as is the bloom will be fast and the loads will need to be lightened to get them home. statistics say otherwise cause of the early bloom......... But as we see this isn't an average year.

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    My grower doesn't want the bees until after the 10th ,so I think we have plenty of time.
    Clear Lake Wi. / Sebring Fl.

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    My grower doesn't want the bees until after the 10th ,so I think we have plenty of time.
    That will last until the grower sees 10% bloom on his trees and he will get antsy and be on the phone. Just in case preparation would be suggested.
    DarJones - 44 years, 10 colonies (max 40), sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 11 frame broodnest, small cell

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Mansell View Post
    My grower doesn't want the bees until after the 10th ,so I think we have plenty of time.
    Unless he has all late blooming trees you might want to check with the semi driver as to how cheap standby time is? Might be better to just have him idle (carb rules aside) and just take them off of one side of the truck and reload them on the other after they touch the ground and make it all legal. FYI this is a little tounge-in-cheek but might not be to far off from the way it looks right now. Where are these trees at anyways?

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    Default Re: Time to get nervous # 2

    In the Manteca trials, 2003 had blooms by the Feb 1st and a short abbreviated season.


    The whole dataset (1998-2010) is here -- worthwhile to see the variation and spread.
    http://cesanjoaquin.ucanr.edu/files/35916.pdf

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