View Poll Results: Screened Bottom on TBH?

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  • Yes..Screened bottoms are Great

    1 3.85%
  • No..Bad Idea

    10 38.46%
  • With a EASILY removable board Yes

    15 57.69%
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  1. #1
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    Default Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Merry Christmas

    I'm just about finished with my 4' TBH.

    I'd love to get your opinion on whether I should have it screened or solid board bottom or
    what I was thinking was screen with a board that is easily removable?

    I'm new and really appreciate your reasons and why.

    Thanks in advance for your help:}

    Snookie


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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    About 5 or 6 years ago I tried screened bottoms on 4 of my 8 TBH's. Of those 4, 2 died in winter and the other 2 were slower to build up in spring compared to the solid bottom board hives. Also, the TBH is very simple in design and works well. I like the KISS principle and found my best results keeping it that way.
    I think the open bottom is just too much ventilation.
    Beekeeper? Shoot, my bees keep me!
    100 hives in Western Wa State

  3. #3
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    I've had TBH for several years and have tried it all, (I think) I now screen all the bottom except about ten to twelve inches in the rear, that is where I start a new hive and let them build towards the front entrance. Since you don't have front entrances I suggest you screen the entire bottom and tack a piece of fiberglass ground cover sheet over the entire bottom for the first thirty day after installing bees, it will give them a dark place to work until they get some brood in the nest. The ground cover sheet you can get from lowes it shuts out most of the light but lets a good bit of air through. Don't leave it on more than a month it will collect debris and give a safe haven to insect larvae.

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    I like screens on langstroth just for hands-off inspection purposes and mite monitoring... to see whats dropping, pollen, active combs, larva poo, etc. otherwise I think they are a negative impact on the hive. Easy access for moths and beetles and slower build up. Bees don't like screened bottoms, they like to be confined, "sealed" in.

    Perhaps do a false bottom, screen with a hinged solid bottom.

  5. #5
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    My original hive looks very similar to what you have built. I hope to build a new hive to take it out of service next year because it has a screened bottom board that just lets the pests in. I have watched Small Hive Beetles crawl right through the #8 mesh. The bees kept them at bay and I crushed all that I could but my second hive has a solid bottom and I like it MUCH better. Nowhere to hide! Well, not really because the solid followers that I have in it to divide it into nucs give them a refuge but not now that it is cold. That is a temporary situation though. The other change I made was to take out the center bottom entrances and put them on the sides near the ends at the top just below the roof overhang. Are you going to add a viewing window? It is a pain to put in but really helpful while you are learning.

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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Looks like you have done a good job on the T bar hives. Screened bottom boards I don't recommend.

    To much ventilation. And for your climate allow to much humidity to enter the hive. I built 50 for my langstroths 4 years ago.

    Almost all have been turned into a solid now. They have uses but for standard practice in a humid environment with a lot of rain I think it is a bad idea.

    Slower to build up in the cool humid spring nights. (in my area of TN)

    Then during the honey flow (and winter) you need to have as dry a hive as possible. Good ventilation up top to allow them to keep the inside dry and during the honey flow minimize the time to dehydrate the honey.

    That being said....... Opinions are like noses everyone's got one.

  7. #7
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by Colleen O. View Post
    Are you going to add a viewing window? It is a pain to put in but really helpful while you are learning.
    No....No viewing window:{

    What I completed today is a bottom board with cabinet (what I call them) latches see pictures.

    Where the board can snap in place over the screen should it need to be removed.

    The reason I put up the poll to see if this was a good or bad idea:}

    Thanks for your reply and info....


  8. #8
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Seems to be more for solid bottoms than screened bottoms. I have acquired permission to put bees on a friends property which is around two thousand acres of timber land in exchange for mentoring him on how to keep bees, ( langstroth. ) I have plans to place a twenty KTBH bee yard there. I will build half with solid bottoms and half with screened bottoms. I will report on the outcome about this time next year.

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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Assuming you put a tray in, it's not so much a bad idea as a waste of effort...
    Assuming you don't put a tray in, it's a bad idea... they will often abscond and they will have too much ventilation.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

  10. #10
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Hummmm...Poll results somewhat surprising so far...

  11. #11
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Howdy

    Results now



    Thanks for you votes so far:}

  12. #12
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    I like my screened bottom board, with a solid slide out monitor board. The solid board gets coated with sticky/gooey stuff and the small hive beetles and grubs fall thru and suffocate. I'm assuming the varroa mites will too, if I ever have any

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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthiesbees View Post
    I like my screened bottom board, with a solid slide out monitor board. The solid board gets coated with sticky/gooey stuff and the small hive beetles and grubs fall thru and suffocate. I'm assuming the varroa mites will too, if I ever have any
    Groovy! :}

  14. #14
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Hummm...shift to screen with removable bottom board


  15. #15
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Snookie

    Most of the experienced langstrom guys are moving away from screened bottom boards. I have solid bottoms on all my top bars and have had no trouble at all. Good luck and keep us posted.
    16 y, 30 hives ULBN, treat when needed.

  16. #16
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    10-4 Matt

    Thank you for your response:}


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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    > langstrom

    ? what's a "langstrom"? Langstroth maybe?
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

  18. #18
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Sorry Michael and also my apologies to the good Reverand for messing up his name. I blame the lateness of the hour and the baby for not sleeping!
    16 y, 30 hives ULBN, treat when needed.

  19. #19
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    .

    GREAT thread.

    And just as I have been suspecting, the screened bottoms are probably not the way to go.

    All of my top bar hives are solid-bottom and are doing great.
    www.savebeesflorida.com (Honeybee removals and top bar hives)

  20. #20
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    Default Re: Screen BottomBoard on TBH..Opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by PatBeek View Post
    .

    GREAT thread.

    And just as I have been suspecting, the screened bottoms are probably not the way to go.

    All of my top bar hives are solid-bottom and are doing great.
    Thank you for your reply:}

    Looking hard at the results.....


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