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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Spin Float consideration

    I am aware of what needs to happen, but the only setups I have seen is extractors above bulk tanks by 1 floor. So all slurry runs into large 150 gallon sump then is pumped with progressive cavity to heat exchange to spinner then back to finished bulk tank.

    What is this "cappings / honey collecting unit" and how much do those cost. I see C&B wants 6k for their heat exchanger.

    I would like to have the entire new part of the system setup for under 10K. I already have multiple bulk tanks. Possibly repositioning my uncapper and extractors into a different configuration with a wider sump would be the answer to centralized collection point.

    How would you go about blending the wax honey into a slurry? Use a standard 110 blending paddle?

    I see C&B radial plan layout which is nice and gives me some direction:
    http://www.cooknbeals.com/img/floor/plan4.gif
    Last edited by BMAC; 01-23-2014 at 10:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMAC View Post
    I am aware of what needs to happen,
    What is this "cappings / honey collecting unit" and how much do those cost.
    It is sold from Cowen, cappings drop into a tub which the honey is pumped into from the extractor by an auger for mixing before pumping. The advantage of this unit is that there is no need for a below grade sump pit. I have my extraction set up all above floor level now

    which ever way you look at it, you need to mix , pump and heat the slurry.
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    image.jpgimage.jpgI though pics is the best way to show my system.
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    Hey thats great. David, Ian; I appreciate it. Im a little tight on room so i think I am going to get a little creative with a custom slurry sump that will accomodate both my uncapper and extractors. That shouldnt be a problem though. Unfortuantely I am trying to get this all done inside a 20 * 27 foot area. Im afraid its going to get a little tight in there.

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    I hear you, the easy way to solve solutions is to spend money.
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    Default Re: Spin Float consideration

    New to this interesting thread. What does the heat exchanger do.? Also is there any feedback on the Maxant
    Continuous Wax Separator in comparison to the C&B and Cowan systems. I am looking to build out a system this year and learning which one to get would be good.

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    Default Re: Spin Float consideration

    The maxant works fine without heat from heat exch. As long as ur not pushin huge amounts of honey through it. Lots cheaper than C&b

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideBuzz View Post
    New to this interesting thread. What does the heat exchanger do.? Also is there any feedback on the Maxant
    Continuous Wax Separator in comparison to the C&B and Cowan systems. I am looking to build out a system this year and learning which one to get would be good.
    heat exchanger warms the honey just before it flows into the spin float. They have some commercially available but they are just as much as a spin float. I am building my own this winter and testing it out. Hopefully after that i can afford a spin float.

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    Hi guys, I have the C&B honey-wax separator and I was just wondering if you guys have any tips for cleaning it out. When I've gone to clean it out the wax in the drum in solid and not the easiest to get out so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
    Last edited by honeyhunters; 11-19-2015 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Spelling error

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    Quote Originally Posted by honeyhunters View Post
    Hi guys, I have the C&B honey-wax separator and I was just wondering if you guys have any tips for cleaning it out. When I've gone to clean it out the wax in the drum in solid and not the easiest to get out so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
    The longer it sits idle, the harder it is to clean it out. I've found cleaning it out immediately upon shutdown shouldn't take one man with a hive tool more than about 20 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honeyhunters View Post
    Hi guys, I have the C&B honey-wax separator and I was just wondering if you guys have any tips for cleaning it out. When I've gone to clean it out the wax in the drum in solid and not the easiest to get out so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
    I clean mine once a week. I pull it out with a small lift, swing it over and tilt it for easy access. Just a matter of using a box scraper and wax into the melter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I clean mine once a week. I pull it out with a small lift, swing it over and tilt it for easy access. Just a matter of using a box scraper and wax into the melter
    How many boxes on average are you putting through a week before you clean it out?

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    1200-1500 per week

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    Okay thank you for the information mate!

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    But it depends on the type of honey you run through it. If you run honey that granulates easy then you have to clean it out more frequently. My brother extracted about 450 barrels without pulling out the drum once. And I ran about 1400 barrels and my crew pulled the drum twice. But we don't have any granulation issues at all. Oh and we start each day with 30 seconds of hot hot water before we push any honey in.

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    Ya I clean every week because the canola honey starts to granulate and plugs the baffles

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    Our experience is much like babybee. We cleaned ours out once in about 3 months of extracting. Once it wouldn't "dump" at day end. Not being in the mood for a big mess at the end of the day I turned the speed down to 200rpm's, gave it some extra grease and let it run overnight. When we cleaned it the next day there was still some honey in it but the wax remained mostly suspended away from the outside wall. It was a pretty quick and painless clean out and we were up and running within the hour.
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    Yeah sometimes after shut down its wise to take a nail and clean out the dump valves. Wax or pupal skins seem to built up and plug the dump valves so as to not allow the honey to empty at shut down.

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    Even after a week, that bottom ring of wax just along side the baffles gets pretty hard. I built a drum puller out of tubing and a winch. It takes me 5 min to pull the drum out. Half hour total job.

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