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    Default Ford 650 as a bee truck

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    I am looking at a F650 for my operation. I know some people like and use this vehicle but am looking for those with experience maintaining these. It has a Cummins engine, 187k in miles and is a 2010. What pitfalls should I be looking for here as I meet with the seller? Any long term maintenance issues I should be aware of? Here are the particulars:

    2010 Ford Super Duty F-650 Straight Frame, 325 Horsepower Cummins Diesel, Allison 3000 Auto Trans., Hauler Bed, 300 fuel capacity, air brakes, air suspension, air seat, 2 speed rear, gooseneck, pintle, and receiver hitch.

    Is a "straight frame" a positive or negative? Primarily this would be for local and long haul of 100-150 colonies at the most at a time. thanks for your input.

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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    Dream ... I'd put on a 16' deck and roll!

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    Nice looking truck. Is that the 300 gallon fuel tank on the deck? Where a row of palletized hives could sit? I don't have any answers to your questions, just questions of my own.

    Does a maintenance log come w/ it? That might be nice to have. Do you need 300 gallon fuel capacity? Can you set a row of pallets on top of the fuel tank?

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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    Matt, not sure if straight frame is referring to the general condition or more of a general statement about its ease of upfitting as needed. I know a straight unbstructed frame is a selling point for new trucks.
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    That is a lot of truck. How are you going to use it? It look like a lot of truck to service beeyards.

    We have a single cab F450 16'flatbed and it works good for stacking up boxes and pulling a skidsteer. When we run between Texas and North Dakota with 2 adults and 2 dogs, I would love to have something like that.

    The Cummings engine is hard to beat for longevity and fuel milage.

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    sounds like a good truck, air brakes means CDL.
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    Primarily using it for transporting colonies between Virginia and Florida and further North. Need to look at the CDL requirement. Did not think of that. I think I saw "Auto" trans and immediately thought it was Non CDL.

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    I have a 98 F800 with a Cummins and Allison tranny. In a Ford truck thats about as bullet proof as you can get in a truck in that class(26000 lbs). Its not the fastest or most comfortable truck but I haul 96 hives on it and feel its dependable.

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    As Matt1954 appears to be a VA resident, I don't see anything in the VA license rules that says he must have a CDL simply because a vehicle has air brakes. The first paragraph here:

    http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv60.pdf
    defines a commercial vehicle, and air brakes is not mentioned. It is true that IF you have a CDL, you do need an air brake endorsement to drive a vehicle with air brakes.
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    True Rader and I wondered about that too when mentioned before. But being as what is being discussed is a Ford F-650 I believe that the GVWR will put the driver into the CDL Class, especially if almost any kind of trailer is hauled behind.
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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    you are correct, somehow the beginning of the second sentence "GVWR and" .... got left off. my mind is a terrible thing to waste.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    As Matt1954 appears to be a VA resident, I don't see anything in the VA license rules that says he must have a CDL simply because a vehicle has air brakes. The first paragraph here:

    http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv60.pdf
    defines a commercial vehicle, and air brakes is not mentioned. It is true that IF you have a CDL, you do need an air brake endorsement to drive a vehicle with air brakes.
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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    Ford F-650 current (2013) specs are here:
    http://www.ford.com/commercial-truck...pecifications/

    The base model is 26,000 lbs, so would be in a weight class that does not necessarily require a CDL. With a non-CDL license, you could tow a trailer with a GVWR of 10,000 or less.

    Other F-650 models do exceed 26,000 GVWR. It appears to me that a key issue would be the nameplate GVWR on the specific vehicle under consideration. If it exceeds 26,000 lbs, a CDL would be required.

    You can read the exact wording of the of the 26,000 GVWR dividing line at the link in post #9.
    Last edited by Rader Sidetrack; 12-22-2013 at 04:45 PM. Reason: clarification
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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Ford F-650 current (2013) specs are here:
    http://www.ford.com/commercial-truck...pecifications/

    The base model is 26,000 lbs, so would be in a weight class that does not necessarily require a CDL. With a non-CDL license, you could tow a trailer with a GVWR of 10,000 or less.

    It appears to me that a key issue would be the nameplate GVWR on the specific vehicle under consideration. If it exceeds 26,000 lbs, a CDL would be required.
    Is the cut off weight 26,000 lbs gross or above 26,000 lbs gross? I thought it was 26,000 lbs.
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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    We can put 80 doubles, or 160 singles, with pallets on our 16'. That probably puts us overweight. I didn't weigh it and wished I had.

    You wouldn't even feel that load with that truck. Any idea how long the bed is? I am guessing 10-12?

    At one time I was looking at getting a trailer and I called a couple of DOTs and they said when the combined weight of truck and trailer reached 28,500 pounds, then a cdl was required. (I think that was right)

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    I put that many on my F-450 w/ a 14'3" deck. Don't run overloaded.
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    Default Re: Ford 650 as a bee truck

    I am not a fan of Allison transmissions, fuel mileage being the issue. I much prefer an Eaton-Fuller non synchronized transmission.

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