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    Default Industrial Beekeeper

    With Pollination Service an ever greater part of the a Commercial Beekeeper's income and beekeepers w/ fewer and fewer hives calling themselves Commercial, because they make money w/ their bees and bee products, is it time for new terminology to distinguish beekeepers who do a lot of pollination and less honey production than before from other Commercial Beekeepers?
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Mark you might be onto something, but is Industrial really the right term?

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Mark we have a term for these guys with low numbers selling some honey and doing local pollination. They are sideliners which is what most people are with up to say 1000 hives. These people mostly are working a normal job and running bees on the side with dreams of someday doing it full time. And then you have the real commercial operations were they are running enough bees that they can make 90% of their income and maybe a part time help.
    Just because someone makes some money from bees doesn't make them commercial. The real term should probably be Factory Bee Farm for really large operations say 5000 hives or more since most are.

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    is it time for new terminology to distinguish beekeepers who do a lot of pollination and less honey production than before from other Commercial Beekeepers?
    If we keep this up the tag line under the post is going to be bigger than the post. Something like:

    TF XSCOM 1000+ NH NB AB O50 CHOORY's PP QB SB SH BSA-OS CAtCC.............

    Treatment free extra small commercial over 1000 hives No Hair NO Brains All Balls Over 50 Comb honey only on rainy year's Package producer Queen breeder Still broke Still happy. Beesource addict in the off season continually adapting to changing conditions..............

    You do have a good point none the less!!!!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by matt1954 View Post
    Mark you might be onto something, but is Industrial really the right term?
    I don't know. It's a start. Is SemiPro a proper term for a part timer?
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post

    You do have a good point none the less!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, but if he keeps his bee keeping hat on no one will know.

    Just kidding, I couldn't pass that one up.

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Full time, part time, hobbiest. Sounds good to me. But wait I'm full time yet I run 30-50 hives as a part time hobby? I'm a full time partobbiest!!! Now I'm confused!

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Mark I cannot believe you started this all up again. You must not be keeping busy enough.

    People can call themselves what they want. And they would still be wrong in someone's opinion.
    Sheri

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Don't the designations already exist in common usage?

    And I think everyone knows what category their own operation falls into.
    for example:
    - large commercial migratory (stationary) pollinator (honey producer)
    - commercial migratory (stationary) pollinator (honey producer)
    - boutique/side-liner migratory (stationary) pollinator (honey producer)
    - hobbyist

    same goes with honey packers, honey sellers, bee producers, queen producers, bee food producers, wooden ware etc.

    Am I missing something?
    Last edited by clyderoad; 12-15-2013 at 07:02 PM. Reason: add. info

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    There's a very odd caste system in beekeeping that I haven't seen in other forms of agriculture. If someone makes part of his income from selling honey, and part of it from teaching beekeeping classes and giving lectures, he is not a commercial beekeeper.

    But if a cattle rancher has to take a job off the farm to keep his operation going, no one says he's not a real cattle rancher. A dairy farmer with a 100 cows is just as much a dairy farmer as one with 2000.

    How did these distinctions in beekeeping arise, and why did they come to be so important? I've noticed that many of the great beekeepers of the past would be considered sideliners today, even though they laid the foundations of modern beekeeping.
    Ray--1 year, 7 hives, TF

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    How did these distinctions in beekeeping arise, and why did they come to be so important?
    who thinks it's so important?

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Mark does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetrucker74 View Post
    Just because someone makes some money from bees doesn't make them commercial. The real term should probably be Factory Bee Farm for really large operations say 5000 hives or more since most are.
    Well that is far from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhaldridge View Post

    But if a cattle rancher has to take a job off the farm to keep his operation going, no one says he's not a real cattle rancher. A dairy farmer with a 100 cows is just as much a dairy farmer as one with 2000.

    ing.
    No that's not entirely true. It's much the same as with beekeeping. Let's say 80 cows is like 250 hives, both need an off farm job to keep going.

    And then you have the "all hat" cowboys with a cow and three horses. They try to tell you all THAT and then some.
    Yup, exactly like Beekeeping

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    classic, Ian
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    No that's not entirely true. It's much the same as with beekeeping. Let's say 80 cows is like 250 hives, both need an off farm job to keep going.

    And then you have the "all hat" cowboys with a cow and three horses. They try to tell you all THAT and then some.
    Yup, exactly like Beekeeping
    .....and they even make songs about them.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFM7teLinOA
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    All hat, , no cattle, ain't going to get er done

    Lol

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    And it depends where in the world you are as in the UK anything from 40 hives upwards means you can join the Bee Farmers Association, making a living from bees alone is extremely hard over here most sell kit, teach etc to help make it pay, with monoculture and smaller field sizes big crops of honey are harder to get

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    A beekeeper with a thousand hives should gross most of 400 grand. How could that be a sideliner?

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    Default Re: Industrial Beekeeper

    That is a pretty optimistic gross. Are you figuring a big honey crop and a big pollination season every year?

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