>Does HBH actually have any affect on hive microbiology at all?
All essential oils that I have seen any research on are antimicrobial. They kills yeasts, fungus, bacteria and viruses. That includes lemongrass essential oil, peppermint esential oil etc. Basically it is the immune system of the platns they are removed from. The protection bees have for EFB and AFB is the microbes in their gut.
Let bees be bees.
But Micheal the one thing I want to know would my bees be considered treatment free three years down the road dispite using essential oils at the beginning?
Let bees be bees.
Some oils, such as the beta fraction of hop oil, are only active against gram positive bacteria but not gram negative. I would suspect the inverse could be true for a different particular oil.
I would challenge anybody to document impaired gut microbes or bee bread microbes post label dosage of HBH.
Well what I an getting at do what you decide is best for your bees. If you think HBH is what you want to use to start out or bee tea with your own essential oil additive then do it. Three four years down the road its not going to make any difference if you want treatment free bees.
Let bees be bees.
If, for some reason, your bees have no varroa resistance, I would suspect that you will be seeing total collapse very soon. Have you done any measurements , how many mites there are? Sugar dusting (Marla Spivaks method) or sticky cardboard on the bottom?
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>But Micheal the one thing I want to know would my bees be considered treatment free three years down the road dispite using essential oils at the beginning?
You can consider them whatever you like whenever you like. The definition on this forum is for the sake of defining the scope of the forum.
>I would challenge anybody to document impaired gut microbes or bee bread microbes post label dosage of HBH.
Feeding just sugar syrup disrupts the microbes but also all antibiotics including but not limited to Terramycin, Tylosin and Fumidil. As shown in research by Martha Gilliam and the more recent one on the gut microbes that I already linked earlier. Now you're going to add a known anti-microbial to the sugar syrup and you don't think it will affect the microbes.
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Well essential oils are a natural product. Lavender, malaluka, sage, ect.....
I think these plant oils in proper proportions are great asset. Like anything to much can cause more harm then good.
@beecrazy101 - If you are happy with your bees and the ways you have kept them than it seems odd to wonder if your results "count" under another's system. I am not aware of a certified treatment free program from BeeSource. There are the certified Organic and certified Naturally Grown programs nationally. If you want to claim their label than you need to meet their standards. No such requirement on BeeSource. People debating what treatment free ought to be - yup, we got that. But aside from a beekeeper thinking "yup, I keep my bees consistent with the way stipulated on the BeeSource Treatment Free forum," what does it matter? If you are content believing you have done a good job as a beekeeper, that is what matters.
I have found Honey-B-Healthy to be an effective feeding stimulant. There is debate over the health consequences of the EOs. I have some HBH in the garage somewhere but it is getting buried as the years go by and I choose not to use it. That fact alone doesn't say anything about my beekeeping competence or lack thereof.