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    Default Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Getting a wood burner finally! But I started planning a rack for the firewood and I'm confused about cord wood. OK 4'X4'X8', pretty straightforward. But two 18" logs only go 36" back, even 20" cuts would only be 40 of 48".

    Wouldn't 18" logs two deep stacked 4' high and 8' long leave you 25% short? Do I look for a proper cord to then be 5' high if it's two logs deep?
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Cordwood dimensions are not sized for stoves but the typical ( old) 36 inch wide fireplace wich holds a 24 inch log well.
    If you buy your wood by the "cord" either face (1/2 width) or full you no longer get the full value if the wood is sized for a stove.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    A cord of wood, 4'X4'X8' is 128 cubic feet. If you want one dimension of the stack to be 36" (3 ft), and the stack to remain 8 ft long, then the stack needs to be 5.3 ft high to make a full cord.

    You can paste the
    highlighted part below into Google and play around with the divisors for other lengths of wood:

    128 / 8 / 3 = 5.333

    (Oops, pasting the above will also copy the "highlighting" BBCode, so here it is without any codes.)

    128 / 8 / 3
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    With a bit of smarts any size of logs can be stacked into a cord. You might need this guy to help you stack it:


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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    It's a free market without any real standards. If the guy selling is willing to sell, and the buyer is willing to pay then it's a fair transaction. People can get really upset if you tell them that they are shorting you. Not far from my house is a yard sign that says "If you get shot its your own fault." Since I don't fancy getting shot I try not to make people mad over how much wood is supposed to be in a cord.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    In some states, one is Washington, a "cord" is defined in law.
    The legal measure for firewood in Washington is the cord or a fraction of a cord. Sellers may not legitimately use terms such as "truckload," "face cord," "rack" or "pile." These terms have no legal definition and cannot, therefore, be used as a measure for the amount of firewood being sold. Only packaged wood, such as kindling or a very small bundle of firewood, may be sold by the cubic foot or a fraction of a cubic foot.

    More here:

    http://agr.wa.gov/inspection/weights...formation.aspx
    If you follow the link, you will see that firewood sellers are also required to provided a detailed receipt.
    Graham
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Nobody around here sells by the cord anymore. I get a "dumptruck load".
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    I stand corrected. Apparently - like beekeeping - firewood trade is also local. I had no idea that the wood cutters of Washington were so oppressed by government regulations. They should move to TN I guess.

    There actually is a standard of sorts in practice around here - a "Rick" (corruption of rack?) 4' tall x 8' long by whatever width the wood is cut to. Also known as a pickup truck load. You still might get shot though if you call the guy a cheater.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Wood cut at 16 inches is more wood stove size and stacks out at 4' x 4' x 8' = cord.
    “When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.” – John Muir

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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    > They should move to TN I guess.

    I did.


    I cut lots of firewood in Washington state some years ago, but never sold any of it. Now I'm in TN I sold a 1/2 cord to a neighbor a while ago. I do agee that most firewood transactions around here seem to be be based around the vague "load".
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    "Cord" can be vague, too. A given load can be stacked up tighter or looser by quite a bit. I'm pretty satisfied with my guy who says "There it is, take it or leave it." Especially since he got out of prison on that kidnapping charge.
    Charlie Gassaway

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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    I'm already laughing out loud ... .... and I haven't even seen Ace post in this thread yet.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    I cover it with a tarp held down by 5gal buckets.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    I buy my fire wood through school fundraisers, and a cord turns out to be what they end up delivering...
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Sounds like I'll need to check my expectations at the woodlot entrance . I'll talk to some friends and see who they recommend in the area.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    With a bit of smarts any size of logs can be stacked into a cord. You might need this guy to help you stack it:
    Love the pic. Very creative.
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    Wink Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    I cover it with a tarp held down by 5gal buckets.
    do you fill the buckets that hold the tarp on your wood pile full, 3/4 or 1/2 full with water????

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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    A cord is a cord is a cord. A face cord is something else.

    My wife buys the firewood these days, and stacks it. I haven't measure the cordage yet. Not that it matters much.

    W/ 18" logs, how has it been offered to you? Is it already stacked in someone yd and you go get it? If it is stacked 4' tall and 4' wide, then that is a face cord and you get what you pay for it. If you buy three of those you will have more than a full cord, but, so what? How much wood do you think you need?

    If someone delivers it to you, how are they going to deliver it? Pickup truck? Dump truck? We get it by the dump truck. The dump bed holds so many cords. It is filled by a conveyor. The guys around here have special cutters and splitters and conveyors. They mechanically place the log they want worked up onto a bench which cuts the log to 16 or 18 inches, dropping the chunk onto a bed where a ram pushes the chunk thru a star plate quartering it. Then those quarters fall into a pile and a conveyor belt runs them up into the bed of the truck. Pretty neat.

    I don't know what the firewood costs.
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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    i cut 16'' rounds to make the math easy, as well as the splitting.

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    Default Re: Firewood question: how can a cord stack 4' wide with 18" logs?

    Here's a photo of one example of a firewood processor to go with Mark's description above:


    Photo linked from: http://www.hud-son.com/forestry-equi...rs/brute-d.php

    There was a time I used a wedge and a maul to split firewood.

    Borrowing my other neighbor's 5 hp firewood splitter is a big improvement. I have lots of wood, and he has a wood splitter. We get along just fine.
    Graham
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