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  1. #1
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    Default No more wiring frames for me

    For the last year or so I have been using bamboo skewers instead of wiring frames. Yes skewers.

    I hate wiring frames and the thin skewers don't take long to install. You just have to drill holes in the bottom bar if you don't have a groove.

    The skewers are the same thickness as foundation, so comb is fairly uniform. I have been making mostly foundationless frames, only using ice cream sticks for comb guides. The only issue is the occasional hole, which often has a queen cup or two (can you see it?). Though I've seen holes with frames of foundation too. Strips of foundation are working nicely as well.

    To install I just turn the frame upside down putting PVA glue in the groove of the top bar. Insert the skewers (blunt end first) then put glue around the part of the skewer that will be permanently in the bottom bar. Push down, then just break or cut the remaining part off.

    The comb is quite stable. I haven't used them in an extractor, but you could definitely use them in an extractor the second year. The skewers seem to help in getting them to attach the comb to the bottom bar as well.

    It's great for cutting out comb too.


    Here's some pictures:





    Last edited by MattDavey; 11-05-2013 at 04:57 AM.

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Well I'll be a son of a......... Good idea.
    Let us know if they hold up to the extractor next season.

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Great idea, they would work good with the beveled Kelly F frames that do not need a starter strip, think I will try them with a couple of colonies. Thanks for posting your idea.

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Looks good! I have wondered if bees would shy away from PVA but it looks like they work right up and onto it.

    Thanks,

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Matt,
    How much does it cost you to make a frame, and how long does it take you. I'm not very handy, but it's hard to come up with the money to expand. I can get rite cell medium frames for 2.65 each, includes shipping. And of course no work. But that's 26.50 for a 10 frame box. I need to add about 20 boxes. next year so it adds up.
    Thanks,
    Robbin

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Thanks for the hint and pictures too! What do you use to hold the wax strip in?

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbin View Post
    How much does it cost you to make a frame, and how long does it take you.
    Cost:
    Both the skewers and the ice cream sticks are about 1 cent each. So about 5 cents per frame. (2 skewers and 3 ice cream sticks.)

    If I use 1" strips of foundation and 2 skewers it's about 18 cents per frame.

    Time:
    If you include drilling holes it takes less than 3 minutes per frame.

    If you use frames with a bottom groove as well as a top groove you could probably do it in 1 minute per frame.

  8. #8
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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Good work for an Aussie lad. Nicely drawn comb.

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    Quote Originally Posted by MattDavey View Post
    For the last year or so I have been using bamboo skewers instead of wiring frames. Yes skewers.

    I hate wiring frames and the thin skewers don't take long to install. You just have to drill holes in the bottom bar if you don't have a groove.

    The skewers are the same thickness as foundation, so comb is fairly uniform. I have been making mostly foundationless frames, only using ice cream sticks for comb guides. The only issue is the occasional hole, which often has a queen cup or two (can you see it?). Though I've seen holes with frames of foundation too. Strips of foundation are working nicely as well.

    To install I just turn the frame upside down putting PVA glue in the groove of the top bar. Insert the skewers (blunt end first) then put glue around the part of the skewer that will be permanently in the bottom bar. Push down, then just break or cut the remaining part off.

    The comb is quite stable. I haven't used them in an extractor, but you could definitely use them in an extractor the second year. The skewers seem to help in getting them to attach the comb to the bottom bar as well.

    It's great for cutting out comb too.
    Hello Matt:
    It's good to hear that it's working out for you, because after seeing your previous posting about this I made all my deep frames with your method including using Popsicle sticks. Since I make my own frames I drill 1/8th inch holes in both the bottom and top bar after the frame is assembled. I grab 2 skewers at a time and dip their ends in glue, then each one is installed by first putting one end in the bottom bar hole sliding it down far enough to be able to push the other end up into the top bar hole, I push it up through the top bar until it's flush with the bottom bar then snap off the piece above the top bar. By sliding it that extra bit it spreads the glue around and it glues them in solid. I buy my skewers at the "Dollar Tree" it's $1.25 for 80. This method actually strengthens the frame somewhat. Thanks for the idea.
    Colino
    A Bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it rains.- Robert Frost

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    Default Re: No more wiring frames for me

    I have used just empty frame several times before when I am short on strips. It works just fine and the queens appear to seek these frames out. I think it is mainly due to the holes and gaps the queen can move thru. Perhaps the fresh wax is attractive also.

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