So many of these critisisms of those who kill their bees, or would do so, at the end of the beekeeping season are so selfcentered. How many colonies survive Manitoba Winters? I don't think y'all know the whole story. I know I don't. But I am not going to condemn someone for doing what is economically best for them.
I don't care for the idea of killing bees. But I can afford to have that mindset, because most of my bees survive where they Winter. Others may not.
Dominic , aren't you getting tired of shaking your finger at me?
Its the second possibility I mentioned that keeps migratory beekeepers from lobbing heavily to open the boarder. Do you think the Almond growers would welcome another half million Canadian hives?[/QUOTE]
Roles reversed = Would you really welcome a half million hives showing up on your doorstep? I know I wouldn't
And as for the package bee operation suited to the prairies - have you done the math? It does not make any financial sense to operate this way. Overwintering is a much cheaper alternative
And whether one cares for it or not, one has to account for anthropomorphism. A bunch of these lobbies are currently our allies, fighting against the people responsible for bee declines. Beekeeping benefits from significant public support, because of the general public's vision of how we operate in harmony with nature and sell "100% natural honey". Unethical beekeeping, the likes of an annual mass extermination, is the kind of thing that will not only get all of these environemental groups to stop working with us, but will get them to work against us.
You lambaste migratory beekeeping yet you have benefited from migratory beekeeping. Were it not for migratory beekeeping you would not have bees.
Do I sense what is really going on here.... a vast difference in the people of Eastern Canada and the Prairie Provinces? At least a big attitudnal difference....
I can not imagine any of my neighbors giving a hoot if I shook out all my bees this winter..... perhaps if I lived closed to some urban center..... NYC, Philly, LA... etc - who knows..
Veni, vidi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around.
Of course, this depends on a cheap, early supply of packages.
Buy the ticket, take the ride. -H.S. Thompson
First of all, I would challenge the assumption that they don't already have exactly the same Honeybee health issues in Canada that we have here in the U.S. .
Quite frankly, after the massive losses in some of the Canadian provinces that have made the headlines, I wouldn't attribute the majority of those high loss levels to pesticide kills. They already have a serious Honeybee health problem in Canada in my opinion. So, the closed border is more about protectionism than keeping out disease.
What I've referred to before is the 'missing leg' in the Honeybee pollinator 'relay'.
If both U.S. and Canadian migratory pollinators had to ability move Honeybees all the way up north into the provinces, and then all the way down south in the states, productivity would increase well into the double digits.
Essentially, it would be like a never ending flow.
No more dearths for most of the year.
Unfortunately, closed borders have a way of keeping managed pollinators from following nectar/pollen flows.
Veni, vidi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around.
oh and we would flow south too! Package bees would restock our yards, make the honey and they would all go south to California to cash in on the Almond pollination as an end of year bonus.
How many migratory beekeepers would follow their bees up here into Canada? I doubt very many, and I would also assume virtually none of their workers would get across the boarder either. So, I would then see the hives getting contracted out to Canadian beekeepers to manage. Crop sharing I presume. Who would end up on the right side of that ledger?
Another interesting point made by talking to a neighbouring beekeeper here today.
Those 100 000 or so packages that would of been sold to Canada, is 100 000 worth of bee hives not available to the Almond flow. Becasue as the deal would of stated, package bees across but not back. As far as we can see from up here, you US guys are not quite self sufficient enough to cover your California pollination needs. Take a couple hundred thousand packages out of the US "bee herd" equation and pollination brokers are going to have to search farther afield to replace them.
The sense we get from up here is that package operators and pollination brokers took a good sigh of relief with the continued ban on honeybee movement across the boarder
By the time pollination has finished going from California to Washington, there's more than enough migratory pallets to sell to migratory pollinators on the Canadian side of the border.
How can I put it...
The splits keep splitting.
When the migratory season is over in Canada, I'm sure that you can find someone on the U.S. side to take them off of your hands.
I think that there might be a few U.S. and Canadian beekeepers that don't need to take their shoes and socks off to understand how the math works out.
As it stands, there's no access to the flow north of the border, and all of those truckloads of migratory pallets have no choice but to be turned into cash for any increases made, right here in the U.S. .
That closed border is lost productivity and income for all.
your missing the circular aspect of it, WCL ( whoever you are )
and Im referring to strictly to package bees crossing the boarder, bees on comb is more than forever away
I do know that Canadian beekeepers have filed suit in their federal court over the U.S. package issue.
Quite frankly, after the big hit beekeepers in Manitoba and Ontario have taken recently, someone is going to come to the revelation that the 'bio-security' issue is peripheral to the potential collapse of beekeeping in Canada.
Packages from New Zealand, Australia, and Chile?
That's not going to fix the underlying problem.
you have no idea what your talking about WLC , not a clue
Who made you a 'Minister'?
45% and 36% losses?
That's a big hit in Canada.
Yes we had a terrible spring, AND highlights the need for available and affordable replacement stock.
I bought in replacement stock from NZ, my neighbour decided to forfit his honey crop this year and split his hives all summer.
He is living on bread and butter this winter. Hard to live off nothing
It was two and a half weeks of timely terrible spring weather that killed off our bee stock this past year. Nobody escaped it