Re: Successful Treatment Free BeeKeeping = Breeding from Survivor stock
That isn't the claim. The claim is: given already resistant starting stock and a strong effort to maintain that resistance, tf is possible. That effort does depend on keeping resistant input going strongly through the drone side. So unless you in a locality where ferals are thriving you need to raise large drone population from your (resistant) stock. The more treaters are around, the greater that effort will have to be.
Originally Posted by JWChesnut
If you are going to accuse people of making ludicrous statements try to get the facts straight.
Unless you have feral 'survivor' stock around you, 4 hives, as you say, probably aren't going to cut it.
Keeping bees tf isn't about 'creating lineages'. I've never seen anyone claim it is. Its about having a permanent process that is designed to raise and maintain health and vitality through selective propagation. The process must be sufficiently intensive to combat the equally intensive dilution that will occur. The more such dilution is of a treatment-dependent sort, the more intensive the ongoing selective propagation process has to be.
The approach benefits from good initial (and incoming) genetics, and reasonably skillful selection and propagation - its husbandry not rocket science.
The depth and intensity of genetic management is entirely dependent on local conditions, especially with regard to density of treated colonies. Because of that little in the way of further generalisation is possible.
Without artificial insemination the very notion of 'lineages' in bees is in my view a nonsense. In my experience very few tf keepers are interested in AI. 'Lineages' is a straw man.
Last edited by mike bispham; 10-27-2013 at 06:23 AM.
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