Re: Treatment Free - How long does it take?
1. Yes. I do not argue the genetics exist. I argue that they are not maintained or enhanced with current methods of reproduction in bees. Keep in mind I do not consider much of what I have read breeding. What breeding methods do exist are extremely weak on selection and any progress is immediately lost due to the need to rely on typical mating methods. I see evidence that little to no progress is being made regarding breeding of bees.
Originally Posted by mike bispham
3. No but that is not because I disagree with location. I disagree with the effectiveness of treatment free. In fact treatment free for the most part should not be expected to work at least in the beginning. Sounds very familiar. such as a new beekeeper should expect to loose bees as well. I see no difference in the losses of treatment free than I do traditional beekeepers. Those that are successful for the most part are those that are exceptional in many ways. I believe a person with the ability to be a successful beekeeper will be so regardless of the avenue they select to get there.
4. I agree that Varroa resistance is genetic. as in response one. I do not agree that the preservation of those genetics is possible with current methods of breeding.
I will offer a real example of breeding and the selection process necessary to see results.
150,000 individuals produced. of those the vast majority will be rejected out of hand. This woudl translate to the production of 150,000 queens. Just to pick a number for now will say out of those 150,000 1000 are chosen for further evaluation. Those evaluations will consist of 8 days and over 100 pages of reports and tests. At that time those 100 reports will be evaluated by one person and may be one in ten will be selected for further breeding. This results in 100 out of 150,000 being selected. now that is an effective selection pressure. Current breeding methods for bees has no selection pressure to speak of. Still it only works if the selection criteria is correct.
5. due to lack of selection pressure the traits will be lost faster than you can select for them. I agree resistant traits exist. I also agree non resistant traits exist. and it is the non resistant traits that prevail.
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