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  1. #1
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    Default Queen emergency and swarm cells

    Hi,

    The other day (3 days ago, about) I transferred two capped brood and bees frames from an Italian hive to a Russian hive. Today, I went to check on them and found several initial emergency cells and swarm cells. The queen seemed to be killed. This was a darn good queen. I don't know what possessed me to transfer frames with bees on them. Lessons learned, I guess.

    Question, how come her bees did not protect, or defended her from the new bees?? Do you think if I had isolated those frames from their main hive for a day, would have made those bees more acceptance of the new queens? I am in zone 6b, elevation 1100 ft and I know it is too lake for queens to mate. There are no drones and the queens breeder for my area are done for the season. I guess that hive is a goner. Has any body overwintered a hive with a virgin queen? Is it possible?

  2. #2
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    Default Re: Queen emergency and swarm cells

    Transferring the bees with the frames never causes a problem here for me. Perhaps you transferred a queen without realizing it? Doing that would cause quite a commotion with fighting. You should get a new queen laying by the end of October, there may still be a few drones around in your area? It's up to you, leave and see what happens, or perhaps join the two hives together for over winter.

  3. #3
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    Default Re: Queen emergency and swarm cells

    The hive where I got the two frames, had fresh layed eggs today. Also, I checked thoroughly there was no queen on them.

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Queen emergency and swarm cells

    Yes you should have seperated them from a couple of days or you could have caged the queen in the nuc you were placeing the frames of brood an bees in.

    Dont think that a virgin will winter then mate in spring

  5. #5
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    Default Re: Queen emergency and swarm cells

    The queen probably wandered among the enemy bees by accident or she got squished when you were putting the new frames in (more likely).
    If I add frames with bees, I usually put them on the outside.
    If a virgin does not mate within 2 weeks of emergency, she will be a drone layer.

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