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    Quote Originally Posted by BMAC View Post
    I run 990 miles one way. 990 miles can be done in a day and a half. The extra trips does afford an opportunity to better watch over my bees. As far as back hauling, I have not done it, but I am not opposed to it. I have zero experience with back hauling for other folks.

    It truly is all in perspective and personal preference.
    Whats time if you are building a stronger better business for the future?
    If we are absolutely worried about making as much money as possible, then why the heck are we keeping bees?
    So maybe when I build up to 800 colonies I will buy a semi and still haul my bees myself.

    Would it be a waste of money and time for me to do that?
    Well my money explainable is a bit simplistic for my actual situation. Your time is less than I had in mind though. I have many other skills and many other ways to generate income. So I always shave to consider. will I save more spending my time driving or could I make more money than it costs me to have someone else do it? I have more than once made $5000 or more in a two week period. But that also requires that i manage to get the stars to aline. So would my time be better spent aligning stars or driving under them. I admit I do not always take the path of greatest profits. Actually far from it.

    Back hauling may be as simple as an add on craigs list in the location you are returning from saying you will haul whatever will fit back with you. And payment could be nothing more than they pay for the gas. Worst case you get no response. run such an add here in August September and early October and you will probably have your e-mail locked up with replies. We have people traveling here for Hot August Nights, Balloon races, Air races, Burning Man, The Rib cook off and Street Vibrations. and all of them have massive amounts of stuff to be hauled away to somewhere.
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    DanielY,
    I don't think there should be anything you would need to do to hives in almonds, so you wouldn't need access to them. I don't know if almond growers feel the same as apple growers, but apple growers I pollinate for don't want to lose one day of bees working the bloom because someone was working their bees.

    I deadhead back home from SC. Unless a backhaul job was close to my route it wouldn't be worth it to me. I can't imagine a job paying well enough to compensate for the bother.
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    If you are hauling for hire it opens you to lots more trucking regulations. Most just lie and say that what they are hauling is theirs but eventually it's going to catch up with you. We go a little over 900 miles. It's a 15 to 16 hour trip. In a truck that needs split into 2 days to be legal. However we rarely drive a truck back empty. I spent $2500 on an older fuel efficient car for a commuting vehicle. Rides 4 comfortably, no stopping at scales no logbooks. Leave at 5 AM, home by 8. $100 in gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    DanielY,
    I don't think there should be anything you would need to do to hives in almonds, so you wouldn't need access to them. I don't know if almond growers feel the same as apple growers, but apple growers I pollinate for don't want to lose one day of bees working the bloom because someone was working their bees.

    I deadhead back home from SC. Unless a backhaul job was close to my route it wouldn't be worth it to me. I can't imagine a job paying well enough to compensate for the bother.
    Then they really would not like me because any of my hives that where in trouble would be removed and brought back. I am not keeping orchards they are. I'm not going to loose an entire hive just so an empty box can set in their orchard. I can also leave home at 5 and be back home at 9. and both of those are am. My only problem with the trip is that it would be in January and February and I would have to cross the Sierras to get there. Last weekend it was only raining and we had to go to Walnut Creek. We saw 4 very bad accidents along the way. All in the one and a half hour stretch through the mountains.

    I do understand the side track to get a load.

    Is 800 hives for a full Semi load an accurate number? I personally have a trucker, with his own truck right up the street. I have been thinking of talking to him about hauling a load if I could get one together. Keep in mind in this area the big boy in bees has 300 hives. but at certain times of the year, like now. California keepers are moving their hives to Nevada. We get a late flow of sagebrush and even have rabbit brush that does not bloom until after first frost.

    Also does anyone know of a map of California that shows where the Almond groves are? I want to plan a trip this year to see them for myself.
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    Why would you take hives to do pollination which were not up to grade and in need of attention while in the orchard or grove? If they aren't up to grade before you go to almonds you won't get paid top dollar and you will waste time and money going to doctor them up.

    800? No, Daniel, 408 is about as many dbls as one can get on a semi w/ a flatbed trailer. Story and a halfs you can get another layer on the load, maybe. But you run the risk of being over weight. A dropdeck trailer can carry a different number, but I don't use them so I don't know what that number is.
    Mark Berninghausen
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    High flat we can put 72 6 way double deeps on, steps can get 84 depending on weight. I haul bees for a living year round. Hands down if you have a full load send them on the semi.
    And if you read the regs in an earlier post you will see at the bottom of the Class A section that you are only exempt when within 150 miles of your farm. So as soon as you get 150 miles out you are no longer legal with out a class A. What I didn't know was that there is a different weight for a goose neck keeping in mind that link is for travel with in Ca not interstate.

    Jason
    20 years of doing pollination from south Fl to northern Maine to Ca and counting.

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    72 6ways? Only 12 rows? I guess thats 44 inches for each row? More or less? So w/ 6 ways that would be 432 dbls, right?
    Mark Berninghausen
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    Mark, are those 8 or 10 frame doubles?

    So far just doing what I am doing has shown my hives are worth around $1275 each to me. Each year. So $200 for pollination is not nearly enough for me to risk loosing one. I loose less than 10% of those colonies and I will loose money.
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    10 framers.

    Well, maybe we should leave this Thread to those w/ real intentions to move bees to pollination, semi loads worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    72 6ways? Only 12 rows? I guess thats 44 inches for each row? More or less? So w/ 6 ways that would be 432 dbls, right?
    Yes it is. Most of the time we try for steps and send 84 into pollination and 72 coming out if we are lucky. So it is 12 semis out 14 or 15 back.
    Oh and that is 72 on a 48 foot 2 inches over front and back on a 53 can get 78 pallets on with extra row.

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