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  1. #1
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    Default Formic flash treatment question

    I have been reading about Formic flash treatments and it states to put the 40ml of 65% acid onto a piece of paper towel and put it on the slide out bottom board. Can I also do this with the meat pads on the bottom board, or will it release the acid to slowly to be a flash treatment?

    The flash treatment is supposed to be done 3 times every 4 days.


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    Default Re: Formic flash treatment question

    Glen,
    I have been playing around with formic this year and that is contrary to what I have been reading or working with. The Formic fumes are heavy and will go down, putting it on the bottom would ‘pool’ it all there.
    Here is the study that I have been working off of for what it is worth, I have hit them one time and took sugar roll samples before and 10 days after. The formic was not placed on unless I had greater than 10 mites in a sample and I only recorded mites on one hive (2 mites) in the follow up but that was because I had a screen bottom board and the tape fell off. For reference I only did 10 hives, (9 Doubles, 1 single deep). I would think 3 times would be pretty harsh.
    Good luck.
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    Default Re: Formic flash treatment question

    Here are two links for doing a flash treatment, where they put it on the bottom board.
    they use a measured dispensing gun to put the acid on the paper.

    My question was: Will the meat pads release the formic acid too slowly to be considered a flash treatment?

    http://www.apinovar.com/articles/flash.en.html

    http://www.apinovar.com/apinovar_IPM_guide.html

    Glen
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    Default Re: Formic flash treatment question

    I agree with Minz... Formic vapor is heavy. It should be dispensed from the top of the hive.

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    Default Re: Formic flash treatment question

    I would think that the soaker pads might release a bit slower, but not 100% sure. Why not follow the recommendations? Paper towels are cheaper than the meat soaker pads and it the recommended method.

    Apinovar bottom boards are by far the easiest, most convenient, fastest and most effective way to dispense formic acid. Besides they can also tell you the likelihood of your hive surviving based upon natural mite falls at different times of the year. It is well worth reading. Somebody must have counted an awful lot of mites to come up with those numbers.

    Jean-Marc

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    Default Re: Formic flash treatment question

    Quote Originally Posted by jean-marc View Post
    I would think that the soaker pads might release a bit slower, but not 100% sure. Why not follow the recommendations? Paper towels are cheaper than the meat soaker pads and it the recommended method.

    Apinovar bottom boards are by far the easiest, most convenient, fastest and most effective way to dispense formic acid. Besides they can also tell you the likelihood of your hive surviving based upon natural mite falls at different times of the year. It is well worth reading. Somebody must have counted an awful lot of mites to come up with those numbers.

    Jean-Marc
    Jean-Marc,

    Merci beaucoup for your input!

    Yes I think you are right, next time I do it I'll use the paper towel instead of the pads.

    I tried contacting Apinovar in Quebec via Email but the Email got pinged back too me stating no such address. Their website in very informative though.

    Glen
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