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    Default Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    What’s killing the bees? Pesticides, but not the ones you think By Randy Oliver,Beekeeper, Scientist, Writer
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/02/wh...#ixzz2duf6JKzu

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    straight up common sense, but not sensationalist enough for prime time.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    From Wikipedia:

    "The Daily Caller is a news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010."

    >The Daily Caller also regularly publishes articles that cast doubt on global warming <

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    The Daily Caller is a news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010."
    Does this somehow disprove Randy's article?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    >The Daily Caller also regularly publishes articles that cast doubt on global warming <
    Oh sweet mercy. Tar and feather them in the streets for such subversiveness!

    Here again, as with neonics, global warming is a scientific consensus...It is not fact. There IS a difference.

    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    From Wikipedia:

    "The Daily Caller is a news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010."

    >The Daily Caller also regularly publishes articles that cast doubt on global warming <
    Wasn't Wikipedia stared by an Ayn Rand fan boy and hosted on his servers originally designed to sell advertising though porn and promoted by adult film stars?
    You need to be careful where you get your information!

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    WLC has his own agenda ....
    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I'm both scientist and social activist ...
    -- Victor Hugo -- "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.”

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    I'd characterize 'The Daily Caller' and author, Jon Entine, who featured Randy in a 'Forbes' piece, as having close organizational ties to the Bush Administration.

    I'm picking up on the 'NeoCon' vibe.

    I think that it's important to know that when reading a piece on a controversial subject.

    Why should I read a political piece with a neocon spin to it?

    From a beekeeper yet?

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    WLC; Is this a political posting for you or about bees? We have to be open to all points of view to solve problems.

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffnmo View Post
    WLC; Is this a political posting for you or about bees? We have to be open to all points of view to solve problems.
    No... We're all supposed to absorb the political and social activism that WLC spews. Those who don't are obvious "neocon's", Big-Chem shills, or too stupid to understand his self professed brilliance.

    However, he gets to immediately discount anything that doesn't follow his agenda instead reviewing the actual findings.

    The financial difference between what someone like this is actually worth versus what they think they are worth is easily in the millions.
    Ninja, is not in the dictionary. Well played Ninja's, well played...

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    If you folks would stop quoting his (wlc) posts...I wouldn't have to read them at all. The ignore option is my friend....now if I can only get it to ignore those quotes....sigh.
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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    I'm not going to grant scientific credibility to anything appearing on a site that also calls global warming a myth.

    I support the scientific consensus. Not some Neo-Conservative, revisionist agenda.

    Just say 'No' to 'Junk Science' and its proponents.

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I'm not going to grant scientific credibility to anything appearing ....
    Good of you to ensure that only closely vetted scientific information meeting your highest standards is granted credibility of the WLC seal of approval. After all, what with you being a widely recognized, high profile, public persona, and all ..... the public might get mislead.


    Oh wait ....
    -- Victor Hugo -- "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.”

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post

    I support the scientific consensus. Not some Neo-Conservative, revisionist agenda.

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    Only a fool... consensus used to be the world was flat. sun orbited earth, and so on... Science is FACTS not a bunch of opinions... FYI you might look at the satellite temp trends from NOA which shows COOLING for the last 8 years.....

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by D Coates View Post

    However, he gets to immediately discount anything that doesn't follow his agenda instead reviewing the actual findings.

    The financial difference between what someone like this is actually worth versus what they think they are worth is easily in the millions.
    Do you find yourself frustrated after reading WLC's comments? Do you feel uncomfortable doing so? Do you read his comments anyway?

    If you do what you have always done you will experience what you have always experienced. That's what I used to do. And it often brought out in me things I did not like. So, I no longer read WLC's comments and I am a better person for it. We each have an Ignore List. Whether we use it or not is up to each of us.
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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    If you folks would stop quoting his (wlc) posts...I wouldn't have to read them at all. The ignore option is my friend....now if I can only get it to ignore those quotes....sigh.
    Yeah, I asked Barry about that. I guess it's beyond the abilities of the program or something.
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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    I do read the scientific literature, and I've kept current enought to say that neonics have been shown to be a contributing factor to Honeybee declines.

    It makes no sense whatsoever to imply otherwise.

    I prefer to get my information from a primary, peer reviewed, source rather than elsewhere.

    It cuts out the middleman and any bias.

    What you're linking to simply isn't mainstream science by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'd rather read about cell phones and the Earth's changing magnetic field as a cause for Honeybee decline on a different 'fringe' site. I'd find it to be far more amusing.

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    What's funny is that most of the above usual suspects are on my ignore list as well.

    It's like trying to avoid the smell from a crew asphalting the road.

    Nothing seems to help.

    P.U.

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    [QUOTE=WLC;1000657]I do read the scientific literature, and I've kept current enought to say that neonics have been shown to be a contributing factor to Honeybee declines.

    WLC - I'd be interested in reading this, if you can provide a reference. Thanks.
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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I'd rather read about cell phones and the Earth's changing magnetic field as a cause for Honeybee decline ...
    Here you go:
    http://www.earthcalm.com/emf-dangers...-killing-bees/

    Please don't spend too much time on the Earthcalm site. After all, we'd all miss your wisdom here ....
    -- Victor Hugo -- "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.”

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    Default Re: Randy Oliver Article about Hazards of Neonicotinoids vs Other Pesticides

    Rader, is it a black hole? Is that why you warn him?
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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