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  1. #1
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    Default Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Well I have my fingers crossed.
    I had a laying worker problem, ordered a queen she arrived yesterday
    I moved the hive about 70-100 yards
    Shook every last bee from every frame as instructed.
    Moved it all back to find some bees waiting already, put the queen cage in.

    I noticed this morning 20 or so bees crawling around where I shook them off
    figured there would be more than that

    I just hope the laying worker doesn't find her way back to the hive
    Fingers crossed!

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    if you were far enough away you will be ok. anything over 100 yards is usually satisfactory.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    All of the laying workers fly directly back to the hive. The only thing shaking out sometimes accomplishes is to disorient and confuse the bees so they are a little more likely to accept the queen. I don't think it's worth doing that and trying to requeen as I've seldom gotten them to accept a queen with or without a shakeout.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfallacies.htm#shakingout
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beeslayingworkers.htm
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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Well that's not hopeful news lol

    Any advice?

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    I did a shake out on my hive last year and it worked. I really think it's hit or miss, but it worked for me. I don't think I would do it again. I'd rather trust the adding frames of open brood method.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenbears View Post
    if you were far enough away you will be ok. anything over 100 yards is usually satisfactory.
    Sorry, but I never found that to be the case..........
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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Shaking out confuses the workers enough so that you can introduce a queen. Just sandwich her between two brood frames and keep her caged for a week - minimum. Sometimes it takes longer.

    If you you have some open brood with eggs, you can give that to them like Mr. Bush usually recommends, and they will make a queen - hopefully. May take several frames.

    A lot of commercial guys just do a newspaper combine with a queenright nuc. Sometimes they don't even use the newspaper. I have done it and it worked on several occasions, but it is risky.
    NM desert/mountain beekeeper - Black Mesa Honeybees.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul McCarty View Post
    A lot of commercial guys just do a newspaper combine with a queenright nuc. I have done it and it worked on several occasions...
    I agree with the newspaper method-it hasn't failed me yet.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    I'd put a frame of open brood and eggs in the hive at least 24 hours before introducing the queen. That is not guaranteed to work but it will increase your odds of acceptance. A push in cage over some emerging brood will increase the odds even more.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfaqs.htm#pushincage
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesdoolitt...#ValuableQueen
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesqueenre...htm#pushincage
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesbetterq...he-Comb%20Cage
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    What if you move a strong hive to the laying worker location before the shakeout? Whats the risk of the returning laying workers killing the queen?

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Pretty good, in a lot of cases. I've seen some expensive FexEx'd BeeWvrs balled to death. Read up on it it a bit: Mr. Bush has a lot of good info esp. on laying workers and the myths, etc. on his website.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    I'd put a frame of open brood and eggs in the hive at least 24 hours before introducing the queen. That is not guaranteed to work but it will increase your odds of acceptance. A push in cage over some emerging brood will increase the odds even more.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfaqs.htm#pushincage
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesdoolitt...#ValuableQueen
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesqueenre...htm#pushincage
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesbetterq...he-Comb%20Cage
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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    >What if you move a strong hive to the laying worker location before the shakeout? Whats the risk of the returning laying workers killing the queen?

    High. In my experience they kill the queen. Even when I did this with a very small (four frame observation) hive. I shook out all the bees put in four frames of bees and eggs and a queen from a nuc, and put it back in the house and opened the entrance. The laying workers promptly balled and killed the queen. I've had the same experience in the beeyard with hives. Now if you can create enough confusion... sometimes anything might work. Smoke, bees from multiple hives, shakeouts--these all contribute to confusion. Confusion contributes to acceptance.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Laying workers are annoying, but if you raise queens in any manner, you will have to get used to dealing with them. Seems like I always have a hive that has lost it's virgin and gone laying worker when it is queen raising season.
    NM desert/mountain beekeeper - Black Mesa Honeybees.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    I have a hive that developed laying workers. This was a package of Wolf Creek bees, and they seemed to start out well, with eggs being laid immediately in the new comb. But I went away for a month or so in June, and when I returned, the hive was queenless and the workers were laying. I've been giving it a frame of brood and eggs every week since, and though the laying workers have been suppressed, I've seen no sign that they've made a new queen.

    It it time to cut my losses?

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Did they make queen cells? Are you sure they didn't supercede the queen and the multiple eggs you were seeing are her starting up laying (newly mated queens do that quite a bit). I sold a nuc to someone once with a new queen, who was still laying multiples. he promptly shook her out on the ground the next day even though I warned him there was a new queen in there. it is hard to tell the difference sometimes.
    NM desert/mountain beekeeper - Black Mesa Honeybees.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Rhaldridge, time to intro a queen if you can find one or get a cell.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    I agree the method of open brood has served me the best, 3 weeks later no more worker layer.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrvVn5 View Post
    I did a shake out on my hive last year and it worked. I really think it's hit or miss, but it worked for me. I don't think I would do it again. I'd rather trust the adding frames of open brood method.
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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    The only problem is that at a certain point, you weaken the donor hives. But yes, normally the best plan.
    NM desert/mountain beekeeper - Black Mesa Honeybees.

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    Default Re: Shook out hive to rid laying worker

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul McCarty View Post
    Did they make queen cells? Are you sure they didn't supercede the queen and the multiple eggs you were seeing are her starting up laying (newly mated queens do that quite a bit). I sold a nuc to someone once with a new queen, who was still laying multiples. he promptly shook her out on the ground the next day even though I warned him there was a new queen in there. it is hard to tell the difference sometimes.
    Well, they did supercede the queen, a couple weeks after I installed the package, but something happened to her. I waited a while before concluding that I had laying workers, but I was pretty sure, because they were laying 3, 4, 5 eggs per cell, and all the larvae were drones ( a lot of tiny drones were raised in worker cells). If there'd been a queen, I did nothing to discourage her-- just put frames of eggs and brood from stronger hives.

    I checked the hive this afternoon, and it almost seems as if there's more capped worker brood than I remember from a week ago, so maybe I have a queen now, and just didn't notice when they built queen cells. Hope so.

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