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  1. #21
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    I think that trying to design a new hive tool may be a bit like reinventing the wheel. Maybe it could be more beneficial for you to spend time designing the ultimate SHB trap.

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    The Italian tool that Michael bush uses is great - except it lacks the scraper action that standard tools have. The Kent Williams tools takes care of all of that quite effectively. Like any multi-purpose tool it isn't quite as good at some of the individual things as more specialized tools, but mighty close. If you lose tools (I rarely ever do) then it's pricey - if you can keep up with things then it is well worth the $17 I paid for mine.

    What IS needed is a really good way to carry the thing - a strong magnet on the front of my jacket for example. I have a bad habit of leaving my tool in my back pocket until I feel it hang on the truck seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LaFerney View Post
    What IS needed is a really good way to carry the thing - a strong magnet on the front of my jacket for example. I have a bad habit of leaving my tool in my back pocket until I feel it hang on the truck seat.
    A magnet on a clip that I slip onto my pocket is what I have and it works great! I just "slap" the HT on it when not in use and it stays put until I need it. Had to try several magnets until I found the one that held it fast to the clip even if I bumped it against something......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidbeeyoz View Post
    I think that trying to design a new hive tool may be a bit like reinventing the wheel. Maybe it could be more beneficial for you to spend time designing the ultimate SHB trap.
    @Kidbeeyoz-

    Redesigning products that have not really changed much can be a challenge. The beekeeping population has come to expect that a hive tool does certain things. I have a number of ideas that I am working with but an SHB trap is not entirely exciting for a portfolio piece. A hive tool involves ergonomics, manufacturing processes, and fits the design process that I need to follow nicely. But I will add an SHB trap to my list of products to design. Gotta get one out there to build some credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by David LaFerney View Post
    What IS needed is a really good way to carry the thing - a strong magnet on the front of my jacket for example. I have a bad habit of leaving my tool in my back pocket until I feel it hang on the truck seat.
    @David LaFerney-

    Awesome. That feedback is gold. That helps big time for communicating what one of the "problems" I was targeting. I have already prototyped a "holster" or a wearable storage solution for hive tools. And I've been using it during my hive inspections. I'll post a few pictures. But essentially is a a sewn good that attaches to a belt that has a magnet sewn inside.

    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    A magnet on a clip that I slip onto my pocket is what I have and it works great! I just "slap" the HT on it when not in use and it stays put until I need it. Had to try several magnets until I found the one that held it fast to the clip even if I bumped it against something......
    @snl-

    Do you wear a belt when inspecting hives? Or do you prefer something that slides into your pocket? This is great feedback, thanks!

    Does any one else have anything they hate? Dislike? Want to see included / removed?

    How does everyone feel about the "flat" handle on each hive tool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidbeeyoz View Post
    I think that trying to design a new hive tool may be a bit like reinventing the wheel. Maybe it could be more beneficial for you to spend time designing the ultimate SHB trap.
    In case you hadn't noticed. the wheel has been re invented, many times over. And they just keep lasting longer. become safer. preform entirely new tricks and look better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared.Downs View Post
    @snl-

    Do you wear a belt when inspecting hives? Or do you prefer something that slides into your pocket? This is great feedback, thanks!

    Does any one else have anything they hate? Dislike? Want to see included / removed?

    How does everyone feel about the "flat" handle on each hive tool?
    I do wear a belt. However the magnet "clip" just slides into my jean pocket and the magnet is exposed in the front of the pocket. It is nothing more than than a magnet on a clip, but it works great. Again, you need a magnet that is strong enough to hold the tool even when bumped against something. As to the flat part of the hive tool (not the pry part) I think it's necessary......at least for me to hold onto the magnet. If it were round, the "holding" power would not be as great.

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    -Do you use a hive tool? If so, what type? Yes. 9.5 inch standare steel bar like this.
    http://westernbeestore.3dcartstores....eel_p_307.html

    -What hand do you use the tool(s) in? Right

    -For what functions / how do you use the tool(s)? Mainly prying boxes apart and separating frames. I will scrape with it often also. removal of wax on the walls of the box and top of frames.

    -What are the pros / cons of the hive tool(s) you have? No place to keep it. to narrow on the wide end to do the job I want it to do. needs to be more like 2 inches wide at the wide end. Has no scraper edge for small areas and crevices. No place to keep it handy. Pros are small light and sharp, fabricated from quality strong steel.

    -What features would you want to see in the "ultimate hive tool"? It will quickly and easy fit on my belt, suit leg or wherever. Right now I am looking at where and how to place a magnet on my bee suit for holding it. It needs to be able to lift that first frame as well. all other frames are no issue.
    This one actually gets so long I am limiting my response.
    I in fact want a hive tool that will perform every function I could possibly need to do during an inspection including cutting out comb or queen cells. lifting the frame holding the frame etc. Then I would work hives with one in each hand.

    -Where do you put the hive tool when when inspecting a hive and it's not in your hand? I lay it on top of the next hive with all my other tools smoker etc.

    -Anything else I should know??
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    I want a hive tool that will take verbal commands and do everything that I tell it to do....quickly, efficiently and on demand....... AND never get lost!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    I want a hive tool that will take verbal commands and do everything that I tell it to do....quickly, efficiently and on demand....... AND never get lost!
    Isnt that called a wife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAXANT View Post
    Isnt that called a wife?
    Maybe yours! Certainly not mine!
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    I love my hand forged, extra heavy duty 18" J-hook tool, which I made two of them from a leaf spring. It's about 1/4" thick in the middle, tapering down to wicked sharp at the business end. It's only drawback is that propolis loves it, too. I'm an ambidextrous hive tool user. I keep it on a magnet on my belt when not in use. I may eventually have it chromium plated to facilitate cleaning, and stamp my name into it.

    I also made a 90 degree cut-out tool for removing combs from attics, etc. It is also nice and long - about 18" overall, 16" to the bend.

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    The feedback from everyone has been great!

    @Daniel Y-
    Thanks for filling out each question in greater detail. Incredibly helpful!



    I'm in the process of lining up a meeting with a local leather worker for some shop time. So I think I might take this project in the direction of a holster / storage accessory and save redesigning the hive tool for the next project.

    I've spent a few hours sketching and compiled a sketch page and want to keep everyone in the loop.

    Feel free to make any comments.

    Here is a prototype I made the other day and have tested at my hives:



    Here is the sketch page:

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    Yes, all the design work is there and is more than capable but for some reason its the software or bad wiring fails to do "everything that I tell it to do". Does anyone have a solution?

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    I think you might want to design it to slip on the front pocket (or have several designs) ..... I cover my belt with my jacket, the pocket is exposed.
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    I use the standard US hive tool, usually in my left hand.
    Its first purpose is as prybar, to loosen lids, supers, and frames. It also serves as nail puller, hammer and scraping tool. Hmmm, there must be something else. Also to manipulate the fuel in the smoker as I get it going. And to push the frames around in the super.
    About the only time I've broken one was trying to pry apart an old hive that hadn't been touched for ............years, shall we say.
    I lose one occasionally. I find it helpful to paint them a bright color or, white will do also. Actually you can sometimes work bees without the smoker; however, with no hive tool, forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    I think you might want to design it to slip on the front pocket (or have several designs) ..... I cover my belt with my jacket, the pocket is exposed.

    @snl-

    You echo my thoughts exactly. I think the inverted "U" shape such as the design on the bottom right of the sketch page could work well with both belts and pockets.

    Either by cutting the leather extra long in the back or sewing in a second magnet.

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    I just thought I would share a picture of my belt and tool set up. It was designed by Paul Kelly from the Universty of Guelph. I bought it from Paul last year and am lost in the bee yard without it! It holds a hive tool of choice, 1 sharpie, 1 paint marker, a hair roller cage with the end pluged for holding a queen when doing a inspection or whatever and I have a knife on mine. You could also put scissors in it if you clip wings. Everything that I use often.

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    There are several Measuring tape magnetic clips that could be modified to carry a hive tool.

    http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/489/measuring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creekside View Post
    I just thought I would share a picture of my belt and tool set up. It was designed by Paul Kelly from the Universty of Guelph. I bought it from Paul last year and am lost in the bee yard without it! It holds a hive tool of choice, 1 sharpie, 1 paint marker, a hair roller cage with the end pluged for holding a queen when doing a inspection or whatever and I have a knife on mine. You could also put scissors in it if you clip wings. Everything that I use often.

    @Creekside-

    Thanks for the picture! That's a nice little rig. I like how the magnet is imbedded in a piece of wood. In one of my sketches I show a piece of wood that has something similar and then has a leather strap for fitting on a belt.


    @julysun-

    Thanks for that link, interesting to see how people in other industries handle certain challenges

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    As for a Holster ; I keep a strong magnet in my pocket. Just stick the hive tool on the outside. Easy on- easy off. Of course it does leave a propolis stain .

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