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  1. #61
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Well here are some pics of my overwintered mini's.
    There are a whole lot better ways of doing it, but it works every year.
    I'm going to be very grateful for each in almonds as always:

    http://orsba.proboards.com/thread/33...scrollTo=18189
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  2. #62
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Those look great Harry. Looks like you also insulated and wrapped them. When you say you'll take them to almonds, what configuration will they be at that point?? Kind of jealous as we sit here in a snowdrift!!

  3. #63
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Brandy, I will take them to almonds as they are.
    When I find that I need a queen, I will catch one from a mini nuc and then donate the mini-frames of bees to a hive using one of these:



    These are placed on hives with only the full frames over a queen excluder.
    as queens are utilized from the mini-nucs their frames of bees are added.
    As soon as all brood is hatched out the bees are shook off of the mini frames and everything goes back together awaiting first graft in April.
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  4. #64
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Nice program Harry. Now I understand how you can end up with one more hive than me.
    Is 3 weeks between cagings sufficient to keep your populations up in those?
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

  5. #65
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Do you see a big benefit of using the box that holds full length frames with the 3/4 length frames at the same time? The boxes I'm making just hold all half frames, but sit on a normal box... i.e. 16 half frames vs 8 normal ones.
    Solo for the last 4 Years, ~60 Hives, TF + Oils.
    http://tradingwebsites4bees.com

  6. #66
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Is 3 weeks between cagings sufficient to keep your populations up in those?
    Thanks, Jim.
    We do make a special effort to time our batches around allowing the new queen to lay out a pattern so as to restock.
    By the way, you most certainly have at least one hive more than me but until that is proven in a court of law by a Philadelphia lawyer, "Thats my story and I'm stick'in to it!"
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  7. #67
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinR View Post
    Do you see a big benefit of using the box that holds full length frames with the 3/4 length frames at the same time?
    In a word, no.
    Half frames make a lot of better sense for multiple reasons.
    But it is another one of those things where I have built up all of this equipment and just do not want to have bunch of different sizes of stuff.
    Here is a story that will blow your mind:
    Do you know how I got started making my version of mini boxes?

    A million years ago when I was just starting out and had maybe a couple of dozen hives, I went to an old beekeepers place to sell him a few buckets of honey.
    After the sale was complete, he asked me if I had a spare couple of minutes. Then we jumped in his pickup and he took me to a property and we drove up to a shed.
    He opened up an overhead door and the room was full, FLOOR TO CIELING with these mini nucs!!!!!!
    He said, "Take all that you want."
    I told him, "Oh, I will never need any of those!"
    We argued and argued until finally HE MADE ME take 8 of them home.
    Well, years later they became my pattern.
    I'll bet there were 1500 of them in that shed.
    Of course he has long since passed away.
    DANG IT!!!!!!
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  8. #68
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Harry - What is the length of those mini frames?
    Started 9/13, building slowly, now @ 7 Lang hives + 3 nucs, and treatment style not decided yet

  9. #69
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    They look like they are a little short of a 3/4 length...

    Ok, I thought maybe you had some super trip to needing the 3 full size frames... I've been cutting mine at half length..
    Solo for the last 4 Years, ~60 Hives, TF + Oils.
    http://tradingwebsites4bees.com

  10. #70
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    My half length 4 frame Mini Nuc 12-18-2013


  11. #71
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Double stacked MN half bee in the bottom and the other half in top box
    NOTICE How they clustered on the warm south side of box


  12. #72
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Notice the white hive top feeder under the MN.


  13. #73
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Looking good, Velbert!
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  14. #74
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    I hope one of those is your Pol-line breeder, Velbert. I'm looking forward to those queens come May.
    Dan Boylan, At it since 2007 in Pa Zone 6B, 13 hives, 6 nucs, treat when needed.

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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Thanks Harry.

    Pol-line breeder still going strong
    The divides i made in the MN the last of August is doing real good.

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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Quote Originally Posted by marshmasterpat View Post
    Harry - What is the length of those mini frames?
    They are 10" in length end to end.
    Western (5 5/8") depth.
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

  17. #77
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    12-21-13

    People sometimes ask 'why Mini frames and not standard frames?' This small mating nuc colony is on five, half sized deeps, equivalent to 2 1/2 standard deep frames.
    Half sized frames have more interior clustering space and compared to the large outside exposure of standard frames. Small frames are easier to handle and easier to find the queen.

    I just cut and milled up 500 of these, with another 1000 to go for what I expect to be my needs this year.. They take some time to make, but it's worth it to me. 500 is my limit for each batch. You have to keep them all straight and tidy so you can grab them for the next pass over the router. They get piled up too high if I try to do more than 500 at a time. It also doesn't seem like an endless chore if you do them in batches. Each frame takes 6 passes over the router blade and I use three different bits. 1", 1/4" and a shaper bit to ease the edges on the top bar. (Although, in this photo you can see the cut edge is square..I skipped the edge easing step this summer when I was in a hurry to make more frames) I store all the parts and cut foundation in rubbermaid type totes with a lid to keep off the barn dust and bird doo.

    Even in single digit temps, these small healthy colonies are doing great. The sugar block center lasted a month. I pushed the outside edges together over the colony and will add another block in about another 3 weeks or so. Each vitamin/electrolyte/acidified fortfied block was about 2 1/2#. The colonies that had more time to build up are not going through their blocks quite so fast as these that have empty frames on the outside.
    Blocks are sprinkled with dry BeePro for a free choice protein source if they want it. Proteinis NOT mixed into the brick.





    100 half deep frame parts:


    Last edited by Lauri; 12-25-2013 at 05:03 PM.

  18. #78
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Lauri,
    Do you make the extra end bars needed after cutting the frames in half? I have never see end bars sold separate from the frames. Nice looking mating nuc.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  19. #79
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Mann lake sales the end bars seperate but you have to call them. I ordered 100 frames two days ago and an extra 200 end bars. For mediums, they are 12 cents per. It roughly worked out to 101 dollars for 200 medium mating nuc frames.

    ML_End_Bars.jpg
    Last edited by KevinR; 12-25-2013 at 08:38 AM.

  20. #80
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    Default Re: How I plan on overwintering 40 mating nucs on mini frames

    Kelley and Brushy Mountain both also sell frame components separately. For instance, here are some end bars:
    http://www.kelleybees.com/Shop/39/Hi...Style-End-Bars

    - and -

    http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com...oductinfo/117/
    Graham
    --- Victor Hugo - "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.

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