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  1. #121
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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    squrepeg:

    "The National Pollinator Defense Fund, American Honey Producers Association, National Honey Bee Advisory Board, the American Beekeeping Federation, and beekeepers Bret Adee..."

    They're all suing the EPA to block the neonic solfoxaflor, and change the process to make pesticides safer for pollinators.
    don't think so, but please prove me wrong if you can.

    perhaps you mean the appeal (not a lawsuit) that they filed for labeling protection, not blocking.

    which they got by the way, and rightly so.
    beekeeping since june 2010, +/- 20 hives, tf

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    JS:
    Don't forget neonic contaminated talc.

    Take a look at who's involved, and then tell me it's frivolous.

    Do they appear to be frivolous people to you?

    No, of course not.

    I'm not debating a label. Read it, then write a letter if you wish.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    You're calling me 'boy' on a thread entitled, "Why/how I know the neonic guys are wrong"?
    I said "It appears to be a case where the boy cried "wolf" too many times."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_alarm

    "The concept of this can be traced at least as far back as Aesop's story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf,"
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Barry:

    Thanks for the wiki.

    WLC.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by JStinson View Post
    So far, the argument against neonics here are these:

    Scientific consensus says they are bad.

    Public opinion says they are bad.

    There is a lawsuit.

    There is a warning label.

    I haven't seen any legitimate points here against neonics. Seriously, WLC, people like me that are not well educated about neonics are the most important ones you need to be convincing. If this thread were a political campaign, I would vote for the OP.

    Just keep in mind that Public opinion, is not what SHOULD matter Beekeepers opinions should.....

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    GMCharlie:

    I'm not going to disagree with that. Public opinion can be some pretty vicious stuff.

    But, this has gone political.

    You've convinced me.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    actually i am the correct person because i spare nothing on my bees and try to keep on top of everything, and still lost nearly 2 thousand colonies last fall due to neonics and no rain to wash them away.

    Also what about steve ellis? hes is my fathers friend for many many years. i suppose he is wrong to???

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Sorry MNbees.

    I'm in.

    WLC.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    How would I know? Unless you tell me about him. What can you tell me about Steve Ellis? WLC didn't answer when I asked.

    I don't know why you are being so obtuse in your answers. Especially when I asked you about pesticide exposure losses. You didn't say anything about your own losses.

    How were your bees exposed to neonics? What did you do about it? Did you get your Dept of Ag envolved?
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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Keep creating opponents out of thin air.

    However, I do know where most of this is coming from.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Who is Steve Ellis and why did you bring him up?

    What opponents?

    Are you a reverse Troll?
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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    sqkcrk:

    I tried to warn you about this kind of thread.

    WLC.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Yeah,
    I should take this Thread off of my Subscribed Threads List.

    Knock yer self out.
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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Who is Steve Ellis and why did you bring him up?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ellis_%28comics%29

    "Steve Ellis’ work has been featured on CD"

    Obviously it's a misprint and should be "CCD".
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Barry:

    I don't know why he's doing this. Something's not right.

    WLC.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    The only way you could know that is by measuring the neonic residue in your hives, comparing them with other hives with CCD, and standardizing all the other variables. Everything else is just hearsay. But keep it up, Monsanto.
    Last edited by Barry; 02-23-2014 at 07:47 AM. Reason: religion

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Why am I even here?
    You are free to leave.

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    Wanna see how this plays out in Government in Canada? http://www.parl.gc.ca/sencommitteebu...pastMeetings=1 Not very optimistically. Proof is theres, its everywhere, but sadly its down to dollars and politics?
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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    I wouldnt worry too much about whether there is an immediate outcome to this issue. More important, it is obvious that the mfrs of neonics are in a life and death struggle to prevent any association of CCD to the neonics. When the neonics first were implicated in causing CCD, these mfrs decided to go on the absolute defensive in attempting to counter any connection shown to their product and CCD. That could wind up to be very costly and bankrupting should absolute proof of the connection to CCD and their product be established. Bigger fish than they have been brought down and you can bet their legal department is in a damage control mode as we speak. But no matter, the sharks of the class action lawsuit genera are already circling this whale, they smell its blood. Yes I am saying Monsanto, Bayer and Syngenta could disappear if the facts support that honeybees are experiencing CCD because of their product. When a manufacturer deliberately obfuscates the truth about a product it sells to maintain or grow profit and the truth that was hidden actually caused the endusers serious financially loss and injury, lawsuits not only provide recovery but treble damages to punish the deceiver. Right now neonic companies are too far down the road to ever turn back. They are where the cigarette companies were in the 1960s, absolutely denying the connection of cig smoke to cancer while more and more evidence rolled in. As far as my belief, I think the jury is still out whether CCD is really caused by neonics but evidence is starting to suggest that. I dont understand individuals on websites such as this one, making absolute statements that claim no relationship between neonics and CCD whatsoever. How can they know with such certainty? Dont they understand that when this unfolds, they too will be challenged for what they said if neonics are in fact causing CCD? Anyone making such statements, are of substance, and would achieve personal enrichment directly resulting from such a statement could be held accountable and liable for deliberately false and misleading statements. Do you really think you are anonymous on the internet?

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    Default Re: Why/how I know the Anti Neonics guys are wrong

    My question is how many beekeepers are actually experiencing CCD "as defined" right now? Seems like it has kind of run it's course.

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