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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Once again, I'm not a paid spokesman.
    Yes you are.
    Regards, Barry

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    What a great thread all the great beekeeper fight your all just the best.
    I have learned so much from many of you .
    I would rather read this thread then watch tv. I respect all of you thank you and keep up the good work
    Say hello to the bad guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post

    Barry: Randy knows how to reach me if he likes.

    Randy Oliver knows you? Why would he contact you? You are the one being critical of him, not vice versa.
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    I didn't write the article that put him in an unfavorable light.

    Keep that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I thought Randy was getting six figures for doing this?

    I'm not getting paid. Are you?
    Getting six figures for what? Is that in the article?
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    Do you even have a TIME magazine article? Or are you kibitzing, like everyone else?

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    I do not have the magazine. Maybe I'll look for it when I get to town next. I live in the country. Don't go by a place that sells Time when out working bees.
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    Yeah, but I'm trying to paint a picture for a bunch of folks, who don't have the magazine article either, and they think that I'm beating up on Randy.

    I'm being objectively analytical in how he came off: he looks like an industry spokesman, who doesn't think that insecticides are a major issue, and that Honeybees will end up on feed lots.

    I'm not making it up.

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    Fine. I believe you told us what you read or how it looks to you. I don't know why you keep going on and on about it.

    Does it say in the article that Randy is getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the insecticide industry?
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    sqkcrk:

    Why don't you email him and ask him yourself?

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    Why don't you? You have the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Does it say in the article that Randy is getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the insecticide industry?
    Of course not. But it's so important to bash Randy that telling lies is OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Oldtimer asked for a lie from Randy, and he got it.
    Simple, right?
    Well, no. Best I could understand from your almost incomprehensible posts on the subject, you presented a quote from Randy you disagreed with. You kinda missed that not everything you disagree with is automatically a lie.

    Out of your own lies, one of the biggest, and worst I have seen so far is the one I pointed out to you a while back, queried you on, and have not as yet received a satisfactory response. One of the issues I have had from the beginning with neonics cause everything people, is the profusion of lies through their literature. It seems telling lies is fine, if it promotes the cause. But it hinders the cause, and has done, because people come to distrust them and rightly so. At the same time though, the neonics cause everything people are very ready to accuse their opponents of telling lies, which adds hypocrisy to the whole sorry mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Randy is a public figure and Bayer spokesman at this point.
    Randy has said what he said. That it does not conform with your extremist view does not make him a Bayer spokesman. Or you would have to say that I and most others are also Bayer spokesmen.

    Oops! Should I even have let that idea loose!
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    sqkcrk:

    Why don't you email him and ask him yourself?
    Why do you answer my question w/ a question? It's either in the article or it isn't. Why the evasiveness?

    What would I e-mail him about? Your accusations? I spoke to him face to face about the Harvard piece and he said you should contact him directly yourself. Why should I e-mail him and say WLC says this what do you have to say about it? I'd feel like a fool. No thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Notice that Solomon is not beating this dead horse? Follow his example thank you.
    Mark, I like you more all the time. Do you know haw hard it is to sit back and watch this convo without clearing my name? But I thought I'd give the usual suspects the opportunity to dig their holes, to misquote and grandstand. Now that they have, I feel it's a good time to clarify the obvious.

    The article is alarmist, ignorant, and Randy is not helping as usual by providing ridiculous quotes to sensationalist reporters. Of course I wouldn't call Randy or anybody else anything, it's against the rules. But it's nice to be reminded who is more than willing to think ill of fellow beekeepers rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt. Thanks fellas. It is always good to be reminded who your friends aren't.
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    Saying that there is no evidence that neonics cause colony losses is a lie. Randy reads the same scientific literature that I do. There's plenty of evidence.

    Of course, the rest of the article is just fine.

    Randy needs to stop denying that there's a link between CCD /colony losses/bee health and neonics.

    It's the scientific consensus that neonics are a factor.

    Oh, but wait, he's got that new Bayer gig....

    Nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    it's nice to be reminded who is more than willing to think ill of fellow beekeepers rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt.
    Coming from you Solomon, an ironic statement to say the least.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Well, it looks like I've completely misinterpreted Sol's cryptic comments.

    Nevemind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Saying that there is no evidence that neonics cause colony losses is a lie.
    And saying Randy is saying something that he doesn't, is a lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Well, it looks like I've completely misinterpreted Sol's cryptic comments. Never mind.
    Yes never mind. It is certainly not the first thing you have misinterpreted.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    There is always the EPA lawsuit by the National Pollinator Defense Fund and allies.

    Brett Adee is leading the way.

    As for Randy...

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    "And saying Randy is saying something that he doesn't, is a lie."

    He wrote it in that article I provided the link for earlier.

    But, I bet that you didn't read that or the TIME article either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    As for Randy...
    A rather vague statement, presumably meant to insinuate something.

    But hey as has been apparent from the outset, your opinion is set in stone.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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