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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Keith doesn't post links, he wants you to search- like any good bonehead...hee hee

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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Waggle, there was a report this spring, "Dan Rather buzz kill" on that report there was a farmer Perzes in Crows landing his bees were pretty much dead, I set bees on either side of that orchard the farmers are not happy. The youtube video under "2013 almond pollination" was at crow landing of my bees. Give me a second and I will look up some more pics.
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    If you are so confident that Nutra-Bee is the superior product, why is it that you feel a need to resort to calling someone else a bone head?

    Beyond that, Lauri is not selling a competing product, plus its my understanding that you do not offer sub products for sale in the smaller lots that are the subject of this thread.

    Lauri posted several photos that clearly show brood in fine detail, and you criticized the brood quality with one word, "Dry". When invited to post similar photos of your own, you referred us to a general statement of:

    "look up Nutra Bee on you tube. almonds 2013"

    Well, no matter how good your videos may be, the image detail of a video will never come close to the detail in Lauri's photo. So, once again, if you really believe you have the better product, post some brood photos of equivalent detail, and show us.
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauri View Post
    Keith doesn't post links, he wants you to search- like any good bonehead...hee hee
    Yeah know..... I'm giving you Randy Olivers web site?? I am much better with a hive tool in my hand than I am at this computer.


    2. Mann Lake’s use of deGroot’s amino acid ratio is not quite accurate. deGroot did not specify percentages of amino acids–he specified a “normalized” ratio of amino acid weights relative to the amount of tryptophan. deGroot never implied that a formula should be 1.00% trypotophan–rather, divide all other amino acid weights (or percentages) by the weight/percentage of tryptophan, to obtain their relative value. For example, brewers yeast runs about 0.62% tryptophan and 1.7% threonine. So you’d divide 1.7 by 0.62 to obtain a ratio of 2.74:1 threonine:tryptophan, which is close to deGroot’s suggested ratio of 3:1
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    When invited to post similar photos of your own, you referred us to a general statement of:
    RS, I'm not feeding yet so I don't have a close pics of brood to show you, I could only show the results of sub feeding, the pics I took were in Jan-Feb that the true results of fall-winter feeding.
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    As far as the "Bone head" pics, you get this alot in bees, somebody takes a shot at there best hives but it doest really tell the true indicator of the whole yard. This remark was not at anyone, I'm sorry if someone took it that way. I go off of how the yard of bees look not indivual hives, it's easy to cherry pic the best for a photo op.


    Here's a shaker in Jan this is the true proof of sub feeding.
    http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...100_1431-1.jpg
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    I make my own sub. I tried adding ingredients to commercially availible products to get them to perform to my standards. I was never happy with the results. I started a thread and posted the basics of the recipe I was starting with. I don't remember anyone presenting a concrete answers more like subtle hints.

    I think the correct answers are out there they are just mixed in with the wrong ones. If the answer to what nutritional value Pollen Sub should have could be correctly answered figuring out the rest is mostly math.

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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    My recipe is field tested and puppy approved!



    Of course my 1/2" drill can throw me around a bit if it gets snarled up on stuff. Maybe dancing a jig while you mix it is the secret ingredient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    plus its my understanding that you do not offer sub products for sale in the smaller lots that are the subject of this thread..
    RS, we sell it in cardboard boxes now, as well as tubs.
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Here is a photo of a cherry tomato plant I'm growing. I posted it on my facebook page so people could see how it produces and what the growth habit is like in a hanging basket.
    Sure it is a good plant. It has a saucer glued to the pot to help retain water. I have a few more outside without a saucer that don't look as good. But what would that photo tell you? It could use more water? I got lucky with one plant? I'm trying to make myself look importaint?
    Here you see a fair example of what this variety, Sweet Baby Girl tomato is like.



    Compared to Bush Early Girl:


    Or Sweet Cluster:


    You could make any conclusions you want. But the fact is, the photos are just for your information so you can make an informed choice. I don't care if you love tomatoes. I don't care if you hate tomatoes. I do not want to teach you how to grow tomatoes.I do not want to sell you tomatoes. But I have grown all types over the years and am happy to take a few minutes so share info about my results.

    Not cherry picking a photo that is above and beyond the norm.

    The photo I posted with the brood was taken to show why I like black rite cell and how nice healthy, clean, newly drawn frames look. How you can feed to continue growth in nucs after the flow. Not 'cherry picking' a photo to show brood, royal jelly, or lack of it according to Keith.

    I think the problem we all have with Keith's posts is that he is selling the product he is promoting-which creates a conflict of interest. No one else on Beesource has endorsed his product. With all the scammers these days, it's pretty easy to disregard anyone who can't or won't give up more information.

    Detailed nutritional breakdown of ingredients, prices, ordering info and business contact info would be a good start.
    I'd be willing to try a new product, but won't bite on blue skys from someone I don't know.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mille...56954971040510
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    9th year beekeeper, about 20 hives.

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    Big Grin Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Mrch, that's the data which is good, but sometimes it seems this thread they only want pics.
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    I wasn't trying to get info on which sub is better, esoteric question, that could be discussed for days, Oh wait it is...

    What I was hopeing for was a visual comparision of what one considers good vs bad.......

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    "I think the problem we all have with Keith's posts is that he is selling the product he is promoting-which creates a conflict of interest."

    you hit the nail right on the head Lauri he is a salesman and he can't have people sharing info on how to make their own stuff and avoid buying it from him. i've been following your facebook page and i like what i've been seeing keep it up and keep sharing the great info.

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    [QUOTE=j.kuder;984209 he can't have people sharing info on how to make their own stuff and avoid buying it from him. [/QUOTE]

    Couldn't bee futher from the truth, what i've been tring to do is educate some here on what to look for in a sub, like the value of Tryptophan, but once again it went nowhere. As far as selling sub we are swamed at the moment. We are ONLY shipping in semi load lot at this time.Best of luck to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    What I was hopeing for was a visual comparision of what one considers good vs bad.......
    GMC, it takes two-three months later is when you really see the results of sub feeding, feeding in the fall the following early spring is where to judge weather you had success or not.


    Why this is important is longevity, you cant tell how long a bee is going to live from a picture of brood, but, if you come back after winter and take a look in early spring it gives you better gauge. How to get longer living bees in great diverity in your sub along with other things such as 24-methyene cholesterol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    As far as selling sub we are swamed at the moment. We are ONLY shipping in semi load lot at this time.Best of luck to all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    RS, we sell it in cardboard boxes now, as well as tubs.
    So now where are the smaller customers that had been buying Nutra-Bee in the boxes and tubs? Under the bus?

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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    If they havent had there order in they wont be able to pick until Spet 1.

    Any other thought provocing question RS.
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    Default Re: Products like Mann Lake Ultra bee.

    Keith: Better get that building up sooner rather than later.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    I know Jimmy, trying to help some here but Boy I am struggling.

    They say a picture is worth a thousand words, I would like to meet that guy. LOL
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