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    Sad Newspaper for combining hives

    I want to combine a weak with stronger hive. Do i need to use the newspaper method and how long do I leave it on for?

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    With the European Honey Bee the newspaper method is considered the safest method to join two groups of bees. When you use one sheet of paper the bees will chew through in one night, especially if you make a small slit in the center of the paper over the lower box. You can remove the remainder or let the bees chew and remove all but the overlap that hangs outside of the box.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    You'll definitely want to use the newspaper method. If you don't, you'll have the battle of the century on your hands.

    It's super easy. Don't stress.

    I know some people will say to leave them alone for a week afterwards. I have had success with taking the newspaper off and integrating the hives in 24 hours. As long as they are through the paper, and have been so for a few hours, you'll be fine.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    Do you do it in daytime or at night? Will the bees go to the new hive location if it's within a few feet of the old hive?

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    You can combine any time of the day, I usally do mine in the afternoon. The field bees will locate the new hive location, usually there will be some returning to the old location and this will last for about a week. They will return to the empty spot, search for the old hive and when they can't find it, they widen their search pattern and will locate the new hive. Remove all of the equipment at the old location, this will cause the bees to search for their new hive location.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    The biggest question you need answered....is one of the hives queenless??? You will have a major problem if you try to combine two queen-right hives.

    I usually leave the paper for 3-5 days or so. As others have said, one sheet of newspaper with a few slits cut in it. The bees will chew through.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    Make sure you pinch the "weak hive" queen before combining. You don't want her to win the battle and take out the better queen.
    To everything there is a season....

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    Thanks Bees in Miami. Yeah, as far as I can tell, the hive that was weaker had 0 brood or eggs. Now I have been having lots of trouble finding queens, so I have never actually seen the queen, but the hive with brood definitely has a queen as there was like 1-2 day old eggs in there. I gave the weak hive a frame of new brood and they did nothing with it, no queen cells built etc. Now, they only had it for a day, so maybe thats why, but I have consistently seen no brood of their own, so i was pretty sure they had no queen at all. I thought maybe I heard a queen piping, but who knows...

    What's the worse that could happen if both hives have a queen?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bees In Miami View Post
    The biggest question you need answered....is one of the hives queenless??? You will have a major problem if you try to combine two queen-right hives.

    I usually leave the paper for 3-5 days or so. As others have said, one sheet of newspaper with a few slits cut in it. The bees will chew through.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    Quote Originally Posted by marcos bees View Post
    Thanks Bees in Miami. Yeah, as far as I can tell, the hive that was weaker had 0 brood or eggs. Now I have been having lots of trouble finding queens, so I have never actually seen the queen, but the hive with brood definitely has a queen as there was like 1-2 day old eggs in there. I gave the weak hive a frame of new brood and they did nothing with it, no queen cells built etc. Now, they only had it for a day, so maybe thats why, but I have consistently seen no brood of their own, so i was pretty sure they had no queen at all. I thought maybe I heard a queen piping, but who knows...

    What's the worse that could happen if both hives have a queen?

    They worst case would be they would both die..... second place to the worst option is the bad queen lives and the good queen dies. Either way, you need to find the queen in the weak hive and pinch her if you want to combine.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    Thanks Harley, so I am pretty sure the weaker hive has no queen, but how do I know for sure? Why do I suck so bad at finding the queen? Are young queens hard to find?



    Quote Originally Posted by Harley Craig View Post
    They worst case would be they would both die..... second place to the worst option is the bad queen lives and the good queen dies. Either way, you need to find the queen in the weak hive and pinch her if you want to combine.

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    Default Re: Newspaper for combining hives

    you said you thought you heard piping......you probably have a virgin queen which is very hard to find ( look for the fastest bee in the hive often running over other bees) This would explain no brood or eggs, and also most likely why they wouldn't build a queen cell. you might add a frame of eggs once a week for a few weeks to see if they will raise a queen or until you start seeing eggs you didn't put in.

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