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  1. #1
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    Default Queen in the Honey Super

    I inspected my (one) hive today. The queen is doing a decent job laying, but the problem is: somehow during my last inspection, when I placed the honey super over the brood, the queen must have made her way north of the brood chambers. I deduced this because I have a queen excluder on the top of my highest brood box. There is lots of bees throughout the hive, but there is almost no production activity, with the exception of a little honey here and there, in the brood boxes.

    What should I do?

  2. #2
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    I am a bit confused. do you have brood in the honey super above the excluder? or is it an assumption because you have a decline in the brood chamber?

  3. #3
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Same question....if she is above the excluder she will lay unless they are completely full of honey.
    Mike Forbes
    Red Dirt Apiaries

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Yes. I have brood in the honey super and no brood below.

  5. #5
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Get rid of the Queen Excluder, there is no reason to have one in a hive. And your experience just proved it, you trapped the queen above in the honey super which was detrimental to your hive. If you had no excluder on the hive, odds are the queen may have laid a few dozen eggs in the super before moving back down. The occasional super frame that I find with a few capped brood or eggs gets moved to weaker hives that need a population boost.

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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Perfect example why not to use a queen excluder. LOL.

    Like casinokem, move the honey frames over or wait for the brood to hatch. Generally the queen will not continously lay in a honey filled super. She goes up there maybe once or twice on occasion when the deeps are layed up and full of honey. It happens to me when a big flow hits, the deeps get filled honey, brood rearing is full bore, space is at a premium and I put drawn comb supers on.

    For how long has the queen been excluded to the supers. How much brood was reared in your supers. I wonder what the deeps look like. Are they empty of filled with honey?

  7. #7
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Thanks, burns, I believe that the queen excluder is the biggest con in the bee market. I have a few, never been used, wood bound metal. I decided I wanted to go treatment free, and along the way read about beeks not using an excluder. I had already ordered them, they came in with other supplies, and got put in the corner. Now I'm looking for a different use for them, maybe a solar dehydrating rack? Anyway, I would advise any new beek to not waste the dollars on a queen excluder.

  8. #8
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    Default Re: Queen in the Honey Super

    Bee suppliers love the upsell, the queen excluder is one of the more easier things to sell and when your new the queen excluder makes logically sense. I don't blame yah for buying them. I know plenty of folks who bought em and they remain clean unused.

    Excluders do have practical use in some methods of queen breeding....to exclude the queen to a particular box or portion of the hive. And some commercial beekeepers just don't want to deal with brood in honey supers.

    Dehydrator rack is a good idea.....roasting rack. Cutting & drip rack for comb honey.

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