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    Looks like if anyone can do this it's probably you.

    I flip my veil back, pull my glasses down and squint w/ my right eye looking in cells w/ the Sunlight coming over my shoulder. I have trouble seeing whether that cell or those cells are actually empty or occupied by an egg or not because of the shininess of the bottom of a newly polished cell.

    That's why I look for young larvae and not eggs. Eggs are too hard for old eyes to see. After cataract surgery I'll have to carry reading glasses to wear under my veil.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    I flip my veil back, pull my glasses down and squint w/ my right eye looking in cells w/ the Sunlight coming over my shoulder. I
    @sqkcrk-

    This is exactly the type of stuff that I'm looking for and incredibly insightful, thank you.

    Could you expand on this more? Can you explain what you mean by flipping your veil back? Removing it? Do you walk away from the hive with the frame to look at it? Or do you do this near the hive?

    Keep it coming, please. Thanks!

    Once I'm at a point where I've gotten enough feedback, I'm going to start sketching up each idea and then mocking up veil on the sewing machine / in my shop.

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    When I do this there may be 100 plus hives in the yard, so there is really no walking away. I have hooded jackets which zip closed together at the throat under my chin. I don't actually unzip and throw it back over my shoulders as much as open up just enough to raise the veil high enough to pull it up onto my forehead. Exposing most of my face I guess but not my whole head.

    Yes, right above the hive.
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    @sqkcrk-

    Thanks for the added explanation. How many yards / hives do you have total? Any idea the number of hours a weak you spend working your bees?

    I think my list for features / areas of the veil to look at might be something like this:

    (Anyone that wants to, please comment on this)

    -Increasing visibility
    -Ability to open mesh or "visor" to look at comb close up
    -Increasing ventilation
    -Providing UV protection
    -Able to use eyewear with veil (eye glasses or sunglasses)
    -Easy to remove / put on
    -Keeps bees out (of course)



    Does anyone have comments about...

    Storage of their veils?

    How long they last / wear and tear? (Weak areas)

    Issues with keeping bees out?

    Variety of head sizes? (i.e. fit)

    Anything else?

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    Jared you can call me Mark. That's my first name. sqkcrk is okay too. Just thought you'd like to know.

    I have at this time about 550 hives. I'm doing what needs doing in all aspects of beekeeping when it needs doing. I never count the hours. They are numerous for sure. More some times of the year than others.

    Drove twohundred miles today delivering honey. Didn't get into any hives. Gonna go out tomorrow and add supers to a cpl of yds and deliver some honey tomorrow afternoon. Doing the hot work when it's the coolest and the light work when it's the hottest.

    Going for jars on wednesday 250 miles away and then starting to take off honey next week sometime depending on variables. Starting at one end of my line of 14 apiaries until I have enough to take to extract. It's an ongoing process. Don't have my own extracting plant.
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    Well, now that we're all friends...

    Jared, how about something that can be pulled down in front of the veil for magnification, sorta like a magnifying glass on a swing arm.

    Mark, I can appreciate your vision issues, my father-in-law has them as well: macular degeneration, had cataract surgery and now a detached retina. If Jared could come up with something that attached to the top of your hat or veil that was sturdy, that might be pretty useful. He has basically quit working bees because of his vision (this is how I got involved in beekeeping). Call it an early inheritance.

    Regarding your apiaries: do you own them all (the land that is) or are you placing your hives on other people's farms and such? I'm eventually going to run out of room where I'm at and I'm just curious how someone with that many hives handles expanding without owning a bunch of property? Thanks.

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    wELL, GUYS......................

    I've always preferred a folding veil, and the new plastic mesh ones are a big improvement over the old wire mesh type.

    I think the vision issues can be solved by holding the comb so it catches the sunlight, plus, if needed glasses. I wear 2.25 power myself when doing close bee work. El cheapo plastic ones. But it's all about having good light conditions, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucoop94 View Post
    Regarding your apiaries: do you own them all (the land that is) or are you placing your hives on other people's farms and such? I'm eventually going to run out of room where I'm at and I'm just curious how someone with that many hives handles expanding without owning a bunch of property? Thanks.
    They're on someone elses land. I rent the location for some honey payment at the end of the year.
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    @Mark -
    Thank you for all your great feedback. When I design products the most fun isn't in the designing, it's in the discovery / research phase. Talking with the expert is awesome because it opens me up to whole different approaches.

    It was great how you gave us a mini layout of the next few days and what you do. Gives me a full appreciation and a good idea of what you might go through each day.


    @Aucoop94-
    I like the idea of incorporating some sort of lens for magnification. This thread is giving me lots of insights that will be great for sketching on. Lately I've been swamped with work. I work a full time job and then moonlight when there is extra work. So personal projects don't happen as often as I'd like. But in the past month I've spent a pretty penny on a bunch of wood working equipment. So I'm making it a point to design / make a product as often as I can.


    @Gino45-
    It's great hearing about the different approaches. Thanks for your comments because they made me realize that I've got some research to do, looking at older veils from the past.


    General question to those that do this every day-

    What is your water intake like? And does the veil make it a pain to drink water or do you take infrequent breaks?

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    I drink thru the veil, or I lift it up to drink.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Just some of my own observations:
    I despise bee suits & veils but when I HAVE to wear a veil I use an Army surplus mosquito veil. They are about $3.00 and although the mesh is fine it is green which somehow makes the distraction. They are extremely light & collapse/ fold easily. Did I mention they are only $3.00?
    When I HAVE to wear a suit I use one with this veil or another separate unattached veil.
    I wear reading glasses which are just awful inside a veil so I've recently started wearing a single contact lens for bee work & I've liked this so much that I wear it most days all day - I highly doubt a reading lens incorporated into a veil has any legs.
    I've been keeping for less than ten years so I'm no expert but I feel confident in saying beekeeping DOES attract a certain personality type. New beekeepers seem to know everything within 2 years (usually less). These folk can transform beekeeping into a care free hobby with their supererior brains. Some can even keep bees in cities with a fraction of foraging plants that it normally takes to make a honey crop. I feel these are dumpster bees making corn syrup honey but they have their heads nuzzling their roof top hives and must have a real & personal relationship with, "their girls". It is tot BS but the bee magazines feel the warm & fuzzy this generates sells magazines.
    I've also determined beekeeping is full of old timers that have zero tolerance for new ideas. Their way is the best & only way.
    Check out AceBird's posts/replies.
    I am a big tinkerer & have a lot of ideas bout improving on how I keep bees and I am very open to new ideas.
    I am currently working on a SHB trap and have made a frame filling machine that you can loom at on this forum & YouTube.

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    @Mark-

    Thanks for your comments on how you drink. Right now I'm just trying to get a full picture for all aspects of beekeeping. Especially since you do this every day it's all the more valuable hearing it.

    ...I'd love to do it all day every day, I'd do anything to not be in an office.


    @challenger-

    Thanks for your response! A $3.00 veil is mighty attractive because of the low price point. How do they hold up?

    Incorporating reading lens might not be something that is a marketable product due to the a variety of factors. But I still love the brainstorming that is happening. All ideas are great, because they'll help lead me to different ideas that I can test and either prove or disprove.

    If I could master this in 2 years that would be awesome....but I know I can't do that even in my lifetime.

    Per you comments about there being lots of "old timers" --
    I think a lot of professions, hobbies, activities, etc can often have people that want to slow the rate at with it evolves and progresses. And I can fully respect and appreciate that. There are plenty of things I'd love to see go back to "the way they use to be" to help connect people and give them a deeper understanding of what they're doing. But at the same time, I enjoy seeing certain things progress. I design medical equipment that is electronics heavy but I spent many moments through out the my day wishing I was on a farm some where raising cattle or anything farming related (I'm not a farmer, but it'd be nice to have a "simpler" life that was full of hard worthwhile work). But talking about "change" could be a lengthy topic in and of its self.

    @challenger- do you have a link to your youtube video? Would love to see what you've come up with.
    Last edited by Jared.Downs; 07-18-2013 at 08:12 PM. Reason: Incomplete senetences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared.Downs View Post
    -snip-
    When I used it the first time, I found it to be rather limiting in terms of my vision (my eyes are 20/20) but the mesh only a few inches from my eyes really throws everything off for me.

    Does any one else have problems with vision with their veils? -snip-
    Thanks
    My experience as well Jared. :-/
    I suspect a little bit of personality is involved in the (in)tolerance for obvious poor design and the resulting poor vision with the veils/hoods with small mesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinbone View Post
    -snip
    BTW, does anyone know why the apparently finer-than-necessary mesh was settled upon as the standard for bee veils? A coarser mesh would still keep out bees, but allow for better visibility and better air flow on a hot day.


    Something the old timers know already is that there are two meshes available in bee veils......been that way for a very long time. Take the Square Folding Veil by Mann Lake and by most of the bee supply houses - It has ten mesh, a noticeable improvement from the mosquito netting sold to beekeepers.
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    My tule veil has a lot bigger mesh than my jacket .. oh and the poster that wanted cheap air oconditioning that works burry a 24 in tile about 10 ft in the ground for about 100 foot and make it surface into a candycane shape so the opening faces down to prevent rain from entering and attach the other end to floor vents in your house then put a chimney painted black on your roof that opens up to the living space inside as the chimney heats up in the sun it causes a draft and pulls air through the pipe below ground and fills your home with apx 63 deg air this is one of the ways wealthy Romans kept cool

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    As far as encorporating a lens and worrying about fog, a little trick I Learned at work that we do to our safety goggles that are notorious for fogging. Even the anti fog ones ...... What we do is rub some cheap dry white bar soap one with no moisturizers or additatives. Onto the inside of our lenses and then polish with a dry cloth u.till they no longer looked soaped and turn clear works like a charm

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    Jared-the surplus veils IMO are great. They are super light & last a long time. I've never been stung through one. The drawback is the fine mess. I feel I got accustomed to it easily & maybe the green color helps. YMMV.
    Just go to Howardtoob or search frame filling machine. It is a simple design based on a utility tub sink, 3/4 HP motor with rpm reduced down to about 500 rpm using pulley reduction and a pillow block bearing for shaft/ flex coupling support. It was a lot of trial & error. I am not an engineer & have no formal education. I am also not the sharpest knife in the drawer from an IQ standpoint. I have very limited ability to learn through schooling. A lot of people tell me how smart I am but I know the truth & always explain that I can learn things quickly IF I am very interested in the subject matter. I'd love to have been able to get an engineering degree but, as I said, the classroom environment and I don't mesh. I have a mechanical mind and I've been fortunate to learn to not give up when I fail many times I take project too far before realizing a project isn't practical / viable. This is a big character flaw but I'm getting better at checking myself when my OCD is putting me in the squirrel cage.
    I know education gets you far but practical application is always the required step in any design. Having some education that allows oneto solve formulas would sure be nice & would certainly save a lot of time & money as opposed to my seat of the pants approach.
    You have a great background and a passion for this hobby which can make your ideas and design more fulfilling than the average hack like myself.
    Keep up the energy & I suspect we will see some things from your efforts that is new & valuable

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    As the old saying goes, "the pasture is always greener on the other side of the fence."

    The modern reality is that it's very difficult to make a living in agriculture today. That office job probably pays better, provides you with health insurance, and leaves you with time and energy to do what you enjoy with your days off. "A farmer's work is never done" is another old saying that is true for me.

    There are different types of intelligence. Mechanics takes a kind of intelligence that many who are 'school smart' don't possess. So, in some ways, you are more intelligent than many college grads.

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    Call me crazy, but I wear a wide-brimed straw hat with a mesh laundry bag as a veil. Large enough holes to see thru and already has a draw string. Hand-held magnifier to see eggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunBee View Post
    Call me crazy, but I wear a wide-brimed straw hat with a mesh laundry bag as a veil. Large enough holes to see thru and already has a draw string. Hand-held magnifier to see eggs.
    I'd like to see a picture of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunBee View Post
    Call me crazy, but I
    wear a wide-brimed straw hat with a mesh laundry bag as a veil. Large enough holes to see thru and already has a draw string. Hand-held magnifier to see eggs.
    Hey! You're crazy!
    I figured I'd oblige.
    I have one of these sitting in my shop & I've meant to try it which I will now thanks to your post. I was concerned bee might get tangled up in the fabric but I imagine if this was a problem you wouldn't have used it. Is it possibility too much material?
    I highly recommend to anyone that needs only reading glasses to give the single contact lens a try. Slipping, sweaty glasses make me nuts and the sweat dripping on the lenses as well.
    Another great find I came across lately is something called the, sweat gutter. It is a silicone band that has a U shape area over the forehead. Sweat runs into this channel and drips out in front of the ears. I just came across thus while looking at a way to keep sweat out of my eyes playing tennis. So far I feel it is a major help. It's not perfect if one has to bend over to grab something-sweat will run over the top. For me I'd say it is a 90% improvement. Maybe I'll need to do more testing when it gets hotter. Right now it is a balmy 175* & 99.999999 % humidity for the last week or two. Not really full tilt test conditions
    .
    This is the first year the heat has gotten the best of me. I normally get acclimated by having to work in the heat for hours a day. I did the same thus year but must have over done it for too long & ended up feeling like I just ate a quart of SHB slime for about two weeks. All better now though & I'll take the heat any day over cold temps

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