where theres smoke?? we still have guys running around claiming there are POW in Vietnam.........
problem is ecoterrorist are smart... start lots of little fires... scream and squawk despite the facts.... and let the dump people and shameless reporters live on the dung piles left behind....... Kinda like global warming, which used to be global cooling, and now its climate change... Ahh heck who cares lets just tax Americans and give it to someone else and call it good....
Its interesting to note. that a lot of articles list 25,000 as the count.... and suddenly as if by magic the new number is 50K....typical
whats real odd is a quick goggle search will show over 1000 articles on the little bee kill.....
Stupid people who are really bad at math, not even close to understanding the numbers of bees killed by low mowers and raid on a daily basis.
We squawk over the dumbest stuff...... 1000's hits on a few dead bumbles, and not a darn thing on how things are going right........
Wow Blue Diamond! You're on the clock at 1:30 am, huh? Are you ever going to tell us which pesticide company is paying you to post here?
Of COURSE a Bayer "scientist" is telling us that neonics aren't a causal factor in CCD--nenoics are a $2 BILLION dollar a year product and Bayer is paying him to downplay any negatives to the use of their products.
Tell me, when RJ Reynolds scientists lied to the public for decades saying that smoking didn't cause cancer (even though there is crystal clear, indisputable evidence that their own research showed that it did) did you believe them?
"The manufacturers of these bee-toxic chemicals are currently not required to carry out tests on their potential sub-lethal impact on bees. Unlike older types of pesticides that killed bees if they were unlucky enough to be in a field when it was being sprayed, these newer "neonics" – which are coated on the seeds of crops such as sunflowers, sweetcorn and rape seed oil and are transported through its sap, protecting them from bugs as the plant grows – are not lethal to bees on contact at the doses that have been licensed for use. But what the long-term cumulative impact is we just don't know."
"The licensing authorities also do not require tests on how the pesticides may be affecting bee larvae. Bees collect millions of pollen particles from flowering plants and it's this bee food that contains miniscule amounts of pesticides. Honeybees bring it back to the hive and feed the protein-rich pollen to thousands of larvae before they metamorphosise into adult bees. You'd think the pesticide companies would be asked to prove their wares weren't harmful to these developing bees. But no."
"A colony of honeybees is a superorganism, consisting of up to 50,000 individuals unable to survive by themselves for extended periods of time. To find out how damaging chemicals are to honeybees, we need tests on the whole animal – the colony. Again, nothing. So the pesticides have been approved for use all over the world without the relevant tests being conducted."
Stand for what you believe, even if you stand alone.
Shall we connect asbestos claims with bee health as well? After all, asbestos and tobacco both impact human health.Two prominent Pittsburgh personal-injury lawyers conspired with a West Virginia radiologist to fabricate bogus asbestos claims against railroad operator CSX, a federal court jury in Wheeling, W.Va., decided on Thursday.Attorneys Robert Peirce and Louis Raimond, along with the doctor, Ray Harron, were ordered to pay $429,240, an amount that could later be tripled under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
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You need to learn a bit about bumble bees.. they are a super small hive/ solitary insect. (depending on which species) so 50,000 in a spot is freaking huge. if you assume a 5 square mile area and EVERY bee in that are was there, that means in the state of oregon there are 9,486,660,000 bummble bees.... Means 50k was a huge nothing....in the sort of a 9.5 billion number
ANd FYI,,, they almost all going to die shortly anyway(except queens...)
Like I said a tragedy for those who are really bad at math... and like to make much tado about nothing.
It was the largest known mass bumblebee death in Oregon history....an unprecedented level of killing of an estimated 150 colonies.
Radar you are right on this is about bee health and ccd not tobacco or any other subject. Too bad red herrings need to be thrown out.
BigDawg; just as a point of reference this may be the largest kill in history, but to keep things in perspective the average bumblebee colony is about 50 bees per hive. That means that approx. 1,000 colonies were destroyed. This info is just to keep things in perspective and not skew numbers one way or the other.
The bottom line is the bumblebee and honeybee population in the Wilsonville, Oregon area was high at the time of the bumblebee kill incident despite years of using the Safari SG neonic insecticide; therefore banning neonics will won't help the bees because they were not in trouble to begin with. Plus the Safari SG only kills bees when it is accidentally sprayed on plants that are in bloom which rarely happens. Plus only a tiny percentage of the flowering shrubs and trees in the region in question are ever treated to begin with.
Bottom line: states have a right to ban or restrict pesticide use.
Jeffinmo... Keep in mind that the "actual numbers" were doubled at least 2 times if you read closely, and no one ever counted......or even swept them up.......
The state Etomoligist who went said maybe 10-15k in the first report.....
There was another incident in nearby Hillsboro where the trees were sprayed in accordance with the instructions (i.e. the trees were not in bloom) and there were a large number of bumblebees observed dying at the base of a few trees over 2 months after Safari was applied.
Charlie a good central figure for bumble bees is 2 to 300 bees per colony with a density of 3 to 4 colonies per acre. Given that bees can forage up to 5 miles that is a population of 19,200,000 bees. want to try again and make some number seem impressive?
Stand for what you believe, even if you stand alone.
If a product goes off target, there's no debate.
It killed native pollinators which should not have happened.
The State of Oregon is in the right to act, even though it's media/politics.
So what number are you using between 2 and 300? Site your source for the information as well.