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  1. #1
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    Default Why one takes and the other does not?

    I have two hives sitting 18" apart. One takes syrup like there's no tomorrow and other barely touches it.

    Both are 6 week old package installs.
    The hive not taking much is a little behind but doing okay.
    The stronger hive took half a gallon in 2 days.The weaker little to none though there are bees in the top feeder.

    Any ideas why the difference?

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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    No two hives are the same.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Quote Originally Posted by frankthomas View Post

    Any ideas why the difference?
    I have been surprised to see a big difference between very similar colonies. I understand that you would like a better explanation to the difference besides "they're not the same"... but I would only be guessing.

    I would consider giving the "weaker" colony a frame of brood (or two) from the stronger hive to give it a boost.
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Yes I want to know exactly why. so when taking a frame of brood from the stronger hive should I shake the bees off before placing into the other hive? Does upper or lower deep matter? Thanks

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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    > should I shake the bees off before placing into the other hive?

    You need to be certain that you are not (unintentionally) moving the queen. One way to do that is to shake off the bees. But moving nurse bees to a different hive is not likely to be a problem.
    Graham
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    It's known as genetic diversity. Even sister queens often have different-acting colonies. They both mated with a different set of drones. Multiple mating is touted as a good thing from the standpoint of survivabilty, but sometimes it makes you wonder.

    Walt

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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Just saying ... the one that is drinking up gallons of syrup could end up the weaker hive. Humans make assumptions that the bees don't agree with.

    Get yourself 20-50 hives and then start comparisons.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post

    Get yourself 20-50 hives and then start comparisons.
    I recall you having a video of three hives. If I'm not mistaken, you were comparing them to one another...
    Last edited by BeeCurious; 07-10-2013 at 06:39 AM. Reason: Acebird, get yourself 20-50 hives....
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    I've learned my lesson.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Look close, you will probably see a huge difference in the age of the brood, and amount of wax. Both actions take a lot of nectar/syrup......

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    Default Re: Why one takes and the other does not?

    Colonies make decisions. Once they make up their mind they do things with focus and energy. Until they make up their mind to do that thing, they will not be doing it at all or not much. Some colonies make different decisions than other colonies or make those decisions at different times.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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