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    Default Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    There is a rumor going around that California will require beekeepers coming in to have Cordovan bees. Is there any truth or just a scare?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Where did u hear that?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Where did u hear that?
    A cordovan queen breeder.

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Just bees coming from Florida!

    Come on, there's no way this could be enforced even if it wasn't rumor.
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericasBeekeeper View Post
    There is a rumor going around that California will require beekeepers coming in to have Cordovan bees. Is there any truth or just a scare?
    And whats the purpose of this? Make the price of pollination go through the roof even more. Although they come from the "kind and gentle society" the are about as prone to breeding mites as...........

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Not much about this this rumor even makes sense. There are inspectors at the bug station that can't even ID a fire ant and they would be asked to determine subtle differences in strains of bees within a particular race like Italians? "Turn your rig around buddy, I just found me a 3 banded Italian". Riiiight.
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Will the border checkers be doing dna testing?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    That would be the only way they would know what strain your bees are.
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Who would it benefit?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    >>Who would it benefit?<<

    The big syrup suppliers.
    Last edited by loggermike; 07-06-2013 at 10:26 AM.

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Huh?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Cordovans. The bees that turn every bit of honey into brood. Require a LOT of food. A good bee when getting paid by the frame of bees in almonds.

    I have some in almost every yard. They are always the ones that run into trouble first in a dearth.

    Of course this rumor is bs , but kills a little time talking about it.

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    I wondered about that when corn syrup was mentioned. Maybe the Almond Federation is recommending cordovans for the reason loggermike suggested. Recommended, not required. Wouldn't that make some sense? Maybe almond growers will pay more for cordovan queened colonies or less for those who aren't. Who knowz?
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    Big Grin Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericasBeekeeper View Post
    rumor going around that California will require beekeepers coming in to have Cordovan bees. Is there any truth ?
    AM, you misread the statement from the entry border station, they only require nutra Bee fed hives into the state.
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    A cordovan queen breeder.
    That was my first thought. Who's goign to be checking passports?
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    INS, they just doubled their work force.
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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    >>they come from the "kind and gentle society"<<
    Yes they are a kind and gentle bee. Pretty, too. But if I tried to run all cordovans, I'd have to have the Mann Lake tanker truck on speed dial

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    California blondes. Get out the mini surfboards amd the vollyball nets

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    Default Re: Rumor? California will require migratory beekeepers to use Cordovan

    The thought is that if the bees are light colored there is no Africanized intergression. Color change in Cordovan has been used by queen rearers and at the Beltsville Bee Lab, http://www.ars.usda.gov/main/site_ma...de=64-13-30-00 since the 1990s.
    If the bees are light they will be allowed to pass if they are dark they will be turned away as they do not want AHB any more than ants and other pests that are already there.
    Cordovan stock can be as simple as a certificate from the state of origin. Florida certifiies queens already. There are two test before DNA - FABIS and USDA-ID that are fairly quick and accurate.
    Many beekeepers are running Cordovan Aurea already for the rapid buildup and especially in South Florida to know when the queen was replaced by the bees.
    Bees coming from states with Africanization are the most obvious candidates, but rules apply to all. We cannot have profling.
    The oft used picture is of two Cordovan bees, one Italian and the darker Cordovan with the dominant African gene. AHB_EHB.jpg The picture is actually from the early AHB research at the ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Research Unit by José D. Villa.
    We just had another northern state require testing for bees coming from Florida so it might be countrywide.
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