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  1. #1
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    Default queen banking tragedy

    Hello,

    I had recently grafted 2 queens that were ready to hatch out but I did not have the time to make up the splits and being the first time doing this, I wanted to make sure that the queens hatched and were viable virgins before putting them in nucs. So I made some wire cages out of #8 hardware cloth and placed them around the cells on the wood bar.

    Both queens hatched out yesterday no problem. I went in today to retreive them and disaster--one had squeezed through a small gap in the cage to certain doom in the hive--(this hive is a 4 frame nuc just started with a queen cell that also just hatched out as well so I thought these queens could be banked here....wrong) Sure enough, only one queen was found walking around after an extensive search-So the first grafted queen is assumed dead.

    The second one was found DOA by me but in the cage provided to her--What killed her did the bees in hive ignore her and not feed her and now she is dead less than 24 hours later or was she stung through the cage by the queen in the nuc?

    I should preface all this by saying that I was not aware of the fact that normally when people bank queens in a queen right hive it is above an excluder I guess for this very reason but I would like to know what actually killed queen no. 2??
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  2. #2
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    Default Re: queen banking tragedy

    Probably queen #1
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  3. #3
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    Default Re: queen banking tragedy

    Trying this in a hive with a loose virgin is probably the worst possible scenario.

    But don't be discouraged, we live, learn, and try again.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

  4. #4
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    Default Re: queen banking tragedy

    Do excluders work on virgin queens? GABees has some for nucs. WVMJ
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    Default Re: queen banking tragedy

    It would help but the presence of a loose virgin will cause additional stress and possible disruption to the bees behaviour.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

  6. #6
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    Default Re: queen banking tragedy

    Virgin queens will fight across the excluder. It takes two bound excluders to make a gap they can't fight through.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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