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  1. #1
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    Default Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    I have had success being treatment free since 2009 but I have used the mda splitter method. I had a local beekeeper tell me if I would split my hives with a queen cell during last of July first of August, i would not have mite losses. I have since learned that is the mdasplitters method. I want to sell queens as treatment free but I worry if my customers don't do the same the mites would kill there hives.

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    Default Re: Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    Do you still have survivor queens that have survived through 2 winters? If so, they would be the ones to breed from to sell queens. If not, then, in my opinion, you may have treatment free hives but they still are not survivors with that non treatment. I say 2 winters because with late splits like you are doing, just a single winter is not saying so much as for survivor stock.

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    Default Re: Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    MDA Splitter is treatment-free well enough, but you have to ask yourself what's the ultimate goal? If you're splitting to keep bees alive and must continue to do so to keep them alive then it falls under help. You're doing something to keep the bees alive when under their own power they would die. In my view, that's a treatment, a view which I fully admit does not agree with the standard definition of this forum so we don't need to argue about it.

    But if the purpose of splitting is to develop a group of bees which are ultimately resistant on their own and don't need to be split to survive, then you're doing what I did in 2003-4 and 2009-11. Once the process was complete and I no longer suffered major losses, then I don't have to split to keep bees alive, and in fact I never did it for that purpose anyway. I split for increase. The hives that survived were split again. Today, no hives are split. I make queens, use mating nucs, grow the mating nucs into larger nucs which are sold, and the best are used to requeen my poor hives or replace deadouts. Hives that I see are wanting to make honey are not split, and indeed hardly manipulated at all. If their characteristics are good all around, they become the mothers of the new hives through queen rearing.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    Default Re: Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    Seems to me 2 catagories are in order then, treatment free, and survivor.

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    Default Re: Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    So are survivors considered bees that need no intervention of any kind? If not what forms of, I will say IMP, are used?
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    Default Re: Is the mda splitter method considered treatment free

    My customers buy my bees with a full explanation of what they are. If you want to buy "treatment-free bees" that still need constant help, that's your business. But if I were buying a bee, I'd expect more.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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