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    Default HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    Took some time this morning and played around with HBH recipes I have seen. I stopped buying it years ago because of the price. The typical ones you see floating around make about a quart size portion and the consistency and color aren't the same. I have a batch that is pretty darn close. I think the other recipes don't use enough lecithin and too much sugar. Also in order to get it to mix right you have to boil the lecithin in for a few minutes, let it cool some then add your sugar and when it cools all the way add the essential oils. I took two cups of water and two tablespoon of lecithin. I boiled it on medium high while stirring. It becomes almost like a jelly puffed with air, when it cools a minute it is still thick and a little orange colored. Then add the sugar, that's where I should have payed attention. I poured it until it gets about the color and consistency of the store bought about 1/8th cup? If you add too much sugar it gets clearer and thinner. let it cool to room temp and then the 15 drops LGO and Spearmint. It makes about 16 oz I added a little water until it filled a 16 oz bottle. When, if I get time I am going to play some more and try to perfect it, I need to buy a small bottle to compare. It sure does look a lot closer. Take it for what it is worth, take my thoughts and play, some one has got to hit the nail on the head sooner or later.
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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    Hands down without a doubt the best E.O. recipe can be found here....

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/arch.../t-275533.html



    This is the ingredient you are missing to make your mix "look right"
    I didn't feel the need to use it.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate

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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    FTIW You can emulsify without adding anything. Just put it in a blender and run it for about 5 minutes and it will stay emulsified for months.

    HTH

    Rusty
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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    >when it cools a minute it is still thick and a little orange colored.
    If it's changing color after you cook it, it's breaking down. Caramelized sugar is not good for bees, caramelized lecithin can't be either.

    You make a HBH concentrate, (add lecithin so add high levels of EO can be mixed). Then take 2 tsp concentrate and cut it in 1 quart of sugar water.

    When i have made it I skip the concentrate step. Add sugar, EO then water to the one gallon batches I make, shake a few time let it sit a few minutes for the sugar to melt then shake again. No need for lecithin (thought I read it's not good for bees).

    I don’t mix it much, don't want to cause robbing.

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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    Flower Planter, its not breaking down it's not carmelized, the heat helps it dissolve in the water. The granules have a slight orange color in the container. When you add the sugar it turns the milky yellow like the store bought unless you sdd to mutch then it starts to clear. Mbeck, how do you figure Sodium Laureth sulfate? It is not listed on the bottle or in any of the documents I have found? I have seen recipies with dish detergent because it has that in it. Where are people getting that from?
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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    I googled HBH And Pro-health labels And neither currently use it . Mann Lake even promotes the fact they don't use it.
    I checked an old label of Pro-health (2 yrs?) I have and it does list it as an ingredient.

    I never used it.

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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    Mbeck, I thought is was something like that. I have a bottle and it is not listed on it. Anyway, this batch I made is the right color, you could pass it off for HBH, I am happy with it, bees like it. How did you come up with your recipe?
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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    I found some promotional material on the "Internets" listing the final mixed concentration of E.O.'s. I think it was 2 tsp provides (x) ml of E.O. I just went from there.

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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    I use very hot water, then sugar. Blend for 5 sec to mix. Add 4 tblspoons of soy lecithin and 15 drops of lemongrass oil and spearmint oil. Blend for a few minutes on low. Store in a dark container.

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    Default Re: HBH Homebrew, looks better than the other recipes I have tried.

    Same smell look and feel on my fingers as the original. My bees love it. Be careful it can incite robbing around strong hives.

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