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    Agree.

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    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    "One California beekeeper was especially strident, going to great lengths to try to discredit their study."

    Now we know who it was.

    Unfortunately, he tried to do it before the study was published since he got hold of a copy of the paper. That's a big no, no.

    My opinion: mediocre paper, good hypothesis.

    Since mercury was found in HFCS years back, it makes sense to check it for other contaminants from time to time.

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    Dosing bees with 40 times realistic exposure (after the bees didn't respond to normal testing) doesn't really sound like an accurate field study.
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    We've discussed this before here on BeeSource.

    Their experimental design was 'Doo Doo'.

    However, despite Randy's vehement objections, it sold very well in Italy.

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    Unfortunately, he tried to do it before the study was published since he got hold of a copy of the paper. That's a big no, no.
    not true.let's stick to the facts please. I was very involved in the publication of the study, got one of the first copies and Randy did not publish his objections until the study was published.

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    Not accurate:

    Both Randy and Jerry were throwing 'tomatoes' at the study before it was published.

    They both crossed the line into Scientific Supression, and both now have clear Bayer ties.

    They're both 'BeeWashers'.

    Nope, they can't get away with it.

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    Absolutely disagree. Sorry you're so short sighted you can't see the truth when it's right in front of you. I know both beekeepers in this study and have pretty good insight into the study. It sucks and has not merit. All it proves is that insecticide kills bees. Big news!

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    camero:

    Both Randy and Jerry Hayes are on the circuit.

    If you're a US beekeeping club, I suggest that you book them.

    Both the "Spread" and club donations are covered.

    It's the way the PR machine works.

    No, I'm not wrong. Randy tried to suppress the Harvard study, no matter the flaws.

    He's a BeeWasher through and through.

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    "BeeWasher"? Never heard that term before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    "BeeWasher"? Never heard that term before.
    term made up by wlc, camero7 is correct and far more informed on this study than wlc, seems he wants to be on the pr machine and can't catch a ride. the study was done in his area, the inspector is in his area, if you have any doubts please go to bee-l and do some searches, all the info is there and they even have date time stamps for those that need it.
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    They both crossed the line into Scientific Supression, and both now have clear Bayer ties.
    That doesn't make his critique of the study any less relevant.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    Randy did what most researchers don't... he actually went to the fields... where millions of us are dealing with the "issues" every day and have great bees..... WLC lives in a bubble... of his own makeing...... HUGE respect for Randy and His work... dealing with REALITY,, not some strange fantasy of going back to the dark ages...

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    Nope:

    Not a chance. I know the study, I do read the 'Journal of Insectology', both in English and Italian, and quite frankly...

    I understnd both the flaws and brilliance, of the paper's hypothesis.

    Randy attacted a paper before it's publication.

    He committed an 'unforgivable' act as a, so called, scientist.

    First, he worked on a field test of a Monsanto transgenic agent. Then, he transgressed against a fellow scientist, then he committed to tests for Bayer. And then, he misrepresented facts in an article concerning neonicics.

    As for the PR machine...

    They should be more concerned about...

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    Can't reason with stupidity

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    How dare you.

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    First, he worked on a field test of a Monsanto transgenic agent.
    I hardly think product testing is a reason to doubt his credentials.

    he transgressed against a fellow scientist
    If a person calls themselves a scientist, then deviates from established scientific method and publishes those studies as sound science, the scientific community has a right to "transgress" against them.

    Who would you prefer that Bayer get to test their products? If I had a pesticide company, I would absolutely be beating down the door of someone like Randy. You want people with experience in bees and scientific methodology...not some fresh biology major who just installed his first package.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    WLC I have been involved in research for almost 40 years. The Harvard study is so poorly done that it is only a black eye for Harvard. Whether or not you agree with Randy Oliver or Jerry Bromenshenk ,if you accept the data from that Harvard study you really are very poorly educated on the protocols of research. I think you accept it because it tells you what you want to hear.
    Dave

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    You cannot try to stop a scientific publication before it's released by a journal (which utlimately published it) because that IS suppression of scientific inquiry.

    He wasn't a reviewer, ref, or editor.

    It's BeeWashing.
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