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    Default Green Drone Frames

    I plan on experimenting with the green drone frames in an effort to interrupt the Varroa mite development cycle. Have you found it best to use them in the outer frame positions or somewhere else? In the lower deep hive body or the top one?

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    JMO, but I don't know why anybody would want to encourage the production of full frames of drones, yes I know the bees will raise them somewhere anyway, but that quantity? I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard of a study that shows they help with varroa either, I think its flawed logic that they do some good. I would rather my queen spend her time laying worker eggs, and have the hive's resources go towards them instead. John

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmgi View Post
    JMO, but I don't know why anybody would want to encourage the production of full frames of drones, yes I know the bees will raise them somewhere anyway, but that quantity? I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard of a study that shows they help with varroa either, I think its flawed logic that they do some good. I would rather my queen spend her time laying worker eggs, and have the hive's resources go towards them instead. John
    I read a study somewhere that said given a choice, Varroa will lay in a drone cell 97% of the time. So a frame full of drone, has more varroa, and you can freeze the capped drone brood and kill the Varroa without killing any workers. My problem is they fill it with honey, Probably because I keep it on the outside.

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Does anyone sell a green drone frame that would fit in a medium brood box?

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    I keep one in the lower box in the #10 position. If I put it in the upper box they tend to use it for honey storage.
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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    I use a frame with a starter strip and just cut out the drone comb every 4 weeks. I put the frame in 2 and 9 position if I have brood in the 3 and 7. If there is no brood in the 3 or 7 than I put it there.
    I use the frame with a starter strip so I don't have to run frames to and from the freezer, i just cut out the comb and go. Bees want drones so they are more likely to build out drone comb on that frames since it gives them a nice place to put it.

    Randy Oliver has written about it a few times. Here is a link so some info and there in more on his site as well if you go looking for it. http://scientificbeekeeping.com/figh...ss-knuckles-2/

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Bid,

    I have the green drone frames and hate them. I find it hard to manage by pulling the frames and transferring to freezer and replacing - especially in the out yards. Also find the plastic frames provide a shb shelter. I will be throwing out my green drone frames next year and replacing this part of my ipm management with the placement of a medium frame in a deep box instead of using the green drone frames. I am told the bees will use the extra space below the medium frame to build the drone comb. When pulling just cut the drone comb off as if it was burr comb and discard.

    Jon B - You could use this same system by placing a shallow in a medium box.

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    What happens when you have drone frames in all your hives, and you fall off a ladder and hit your head badly and get amnesia for a period of time, and you don't remove the frames in time and the drones all hatch out, now what have you got? John

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    I read a study somewhere that said given a choice, Varroa will lay in a drone cell 97% of the time.
    That may be true. It's that pesky 3% that throws a wrench in the works.

    Killing mites in drone comb leaves mites in worker comb. Those surviving worker comb mites reproduce and make mites that prefer worker comb. Pretty soon, your drone comb method is useless as most of your mites are now in worker comb.

    Michael Bush laid out this theory in a thread at some point. I was thinking seriously about trying this system until I read that.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    So, if I can reliably retrieve the green frames after the drone are capped at day 10 and before they emerge on day 24 then the green frames serve a purpose. If I fail to get them out within this 2-week period then a bunch of drone and varroa mites get released into the hive. That's a fairly big risk. This leads me to believe I only want to use the green frames in a "treatment" mode and not a "preventative" mode.

    Jon B: I may end up running my green frames through my table saw at 6-5/8" and give these "mediums" to you. LOL!

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Don't forget either, I use green drone comb not necessarily as an IPM tactic but also to help saturate an area with drones.
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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Drones are very underrated. Their pheromones are important as well and I let my colonies produce more than most beekeepers. we still hit 100 lbs a hive with the drones and know we are send out better genetics to the wild colonies.

    I once in the spring cut out a frame of drone comb. This sets the mites back off from the get go.

    I don't agree with M. Bush on that subject. Mites need the longer period and larger cell of the drone cell to be able to increase their numbers rapidly and more successfully. Its in their nature just as the queen lays drone eggs in big cells its going to happen.

    With good genetic bees and IPM's like drone removal keeping bees has become more fun and profitable for me.

    I put the frame in the bottom box close to the center.
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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    I hated using the green frames & threw them in the garbage. For me it was easier to put a foundationless frame in the hive. Every 3-4 weeks cut out the brood & put the frame right back in the hive.
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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    We like the green boards - have 2 per hive labelled with hive #. Take one out, put 1 in, store the full one in freezer. Use a calendar so that we don't forget to rotate before they hatch out & generally rotate a bit early (when it is a nice day). Mite count has been extremely low - use alcohol wash method - count of 2 & 3 in our 2 hives last Aug.

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Bolter, do you put the green boards in any certain position? Do you like them in the lower or the upper hive body?

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    We know that mites prefer drone cells, but why they prefer them is not entirely known in my opinion. Yes, drones take longer to mature giving mites a couple more days for them to mature, but do you think the mites know that when they climb into a drone cell as opposed to a worker cell? Maybe its pheromones that the drone larvae give off that attracts the mite, but a mite goes into a worker cell right next door at the same time, so what gives? No question drones serve a purpose in the hive beyond mating queens, but I don't know what it is. John

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    FAEEs are the precapping signals you're referring to. It seems that drone brood simply makes them for longer.

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    FAEEs are the precapping signals you're referring to. It seems that drone brood simply makes them for longer.
    What are you talking about?

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Kairomones. Fatty acid ethyl esters or fatty acid methyl esters.

    They're signals for Varroa females to enter a cell and start laying eggs.

    There are also related signals to get Varroa to stop laying eggs.

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    Default Re: Green Drone Frames

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    There are also related signals to get Varroa to stop laying eggs.
    If we could get varroa to stop laying for an extended period, that would be a great day. Not trying to derail the thread, just had to throw that out there.
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