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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    What assures a beekeeper that he won't get stung?
    Not minding a sting or two. Being confident, knowledgable , and experienced. Letting conditions and the bees tell you when to keep a veil on and when to put gloves on.

    I don't normally go into hives very often w/out wearing a veil. But if conditions are right, nice sunny day w/ bees flying hard and wearing a veil is uncomfortable, causing me to sweat a lot, making it hard for me to see thru my glasses, I will work w/out a veil. Until I get stung in the head enuf times to make me think a veil would be a good thing to have in place.

    More or less the same w/ gloves. I'd rather not wear them. And if I had a small number of hives I probably wouldn't wear them as often as I do.

    There are plenty of horror stories about bee stings, I prefer the times when not wearing protective gear was a preference and a pleasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    I don't understand. Are you trying to find bees that can be worked w/out a veil and gloves?
    It's easy to understand. They are made just like all livestock was. To be domesticated in order to be managed by man to work for him.

    If somebody refuses to manage something. He loses it. Genetic traits are the same way.

    If you have a cow that will kill you mated by a bull that will kill you. What will the calf do when he or she grows up? It's easier to take three steps backward when selecting genetics than it is to take a half a step forward.

    And doing that search by killing queens that head hives that sting you when you open a hive w/out a veil or gloves? Is that correct?
    yea.

    Do you search out gentle bees from other beekeepers? Where do queens come from when you want to requeen? Replace the queen you have killed.
    replace it with offspring of the most gentle one in the yard. or somebody elses which ever.

    I guarantee you as many hives as you have. You can walk by every single one and ONE of them will stand out above the rest and most likely be gentle as cats even with no smoke.

    Graft as many as you can get mated out of her and save the nicest ones.

    When you find that nice one. She'll prove to you that all this talk about pissy on cloudy/windy/rainy days and stuff is a load of crap. But it's not a load of crap when explaining most bees. Most people don't care cause either they have a mosquito bite type tolerance of apitoxin or they go out in a hazmat suit with cuffs and ankles taped up and don't give a hoot.

    I have one queen out of 30ish so far that I can open the hive and the bees on the top bars will turn and go down on the combs. I can reach for frames and they will see my fingers coming and get out of the way. I have 20 capped cells out there right now out of her. Can't wait to see her babies. Should have a bunch hatching in a couple days.

    75% of the bees in that box are not her offspring atleast. So why then is it that they treated me differently with their own mother? Certainly disproves a load of crap that I've read.
    Don't laugh it's paid for. -- Manure draws more flies than honey.

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    What part of VA is Whitmell in? If it isn't too far off of my route south maybe I should drop in on you some time and see what it's like.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Haven't read all the responses, but I'd bet those that don't wear protective gear don't react all that strongly to stings.

    Someone mentioned getting 30-40 stings a day for a month...I'm pretty sure that would have literally ended me up in a hospital or dead. Some of us swell up and itch with just one sting. Some hardly react at all. I wish I didn't react, as the stings themselves don't hurt all that much. Having your thumb twice as large as it normally is and itch for 4-5 days after from a single sting is WAY to much.

    I wear protective gear and always will. Not to mention even an accidental sting in the eye can cause blindness, not worth the risk to me.

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    I think you have to consider the person, some are very tolerate to pain. for years I did not wear protection. most of the time I don't know when I get stung till I see the stinger & no swelling unless its on my head & that is minor. I also don't take a shot when getting teeth pulled. normally don't know when the tooth comes out. on the other hand one drink of Gatorade will knock me out. I have been stung directly in the eye & did not go blind, didn't hurt much either. it did scare me , so know I wear a jacket & veil or have it close. I wear everything with cutouts. randy
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    It takes two things:

    1) very gentle bees
    2) complete ignorance of how rapidly things can go bad
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Just like yesterday when I drove up to an Immigration Check Point in my Bee Truck.
    Try that loaded with bee's, I bet they just waive you on through. In the inner boxes you can put your immigrants 4 story deeps should do it as long as the bee's are flying out of the outer boxes. I see a movie or tv episode coming on.


    Quote Originally Posted by MJuric View Post
    Someone mentioned getting 30-40 stings a day for a month...


    That was me yesterday looks a little better today. Just ordered an ultrabreeze jacket. That vail and hat thing is not working for me anymore.

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Haha good saying pink cow. I most always wear pants. The ticks are rough here.

    I have had up to 30 folks (without gear) within 3-20 feet of my hives with my largest hive opened for them to see and get close to. In my experience wearing gloves and suits get me stung more than when I am not wearing them. (Especially gloves) I always wear a veil except for short 1-5 minute periods occasionally. When I need to the whole get up it used but it truly is a bad day in the beeyard when that happens.

    Gloves crush bees, they take stingers and wreak of "come sting the heck out of me" Even on the next visit. I don't have time to wash my stuff everyday. Also when using gloves the finesse is quickly tossed to the wayside and the bees don't appreciate any rougher than needed handling.

    I think instructors should forewarn that new beekeepers should work there way up to going without gloves. (I understand people are allergic so this does not apply to you)

    BUT It is also important that people know that EHB's are gentle and not the vicious aggressors that many uneducated folks think they are.

    Just like with every thing common sense and moderation are needed.

    The reality of beekeeping is that when you keep honeybees you will get stung.


    I worked in mine 9 hours yesterday with just a veil. Walked 150 plus feet from a yard and had one fly hit me in the head get tangled in my short head of hair and sting me for no darn reason. Happens.....

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    "So why then is it that they treated me differently with their own mother? Certainly disproves a load of crap that I've read." Ralph3

    So you add to it, profanely.
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    I think a lot depends on the beekeeper. Noted some bees have a nasty temper, but these bees in the wild don't bother anyone. When we tear apart their home too often or fly through an inspection like a wrecking ball, or choke them with the smoker,what do you expect? I have gentle bees, usually don't wear a hat/veil, although one is handy if I need it, but I have learned to work my bees with slow, fluid movements, no jerking things around no bumping or dropping frames. Even at that sometimes the girls are in a bad mood. When that happens, I walk away. Remember we are supposed to be their caretakers, adapting to their world, not the other way around. JMO.
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ode1891 View Post
    ...why they risk getting stung seems to have more to do with the ego, who knows? more likely they are born less sensitive to bee venom.
    More likely it's too hot in Georgia, Alabama & Louisiana during the summer to risk heat stroke from suiting up. Stings vs heat is the decision that I have had to make. Once you get desensitized somewhat to stings you have options. But from what I've seen even though they may be able to work the bees some without protection, they still have it available for when the bees are on a different program (as you see with JPtheBeeman).

    Our bees are very agreeable until a dearth at which time they may be a little more defensive of their stores which leads to some stings. But when you simulate a nectar flow (feeding) so you can raise bees and draw out new comb I would expect you have a little more wiggle room during the summer dearth.

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    What part of VA is Whitmell in? If it isn't too far off of my route south maybe I should drop in on you some time and see what it's like.
    Well fat/beeman shouldn't be too far below wherever you are in SC either. Yet if you insist. If you come down 29 south through lynchburg/danville. when you go through danville you are only about 15 minutes away from me.going to SC if you go 29 it shouldn't be too much different than going 95 though richmond south.

    I think it's kinda crazeh for somebody with your experience with bees to care to visit somebody like me who has so little experience but ok. I got them 25 feet or so from my front porch the closest ones and they are just like pets.

    If you wait until next year at this time I'll be a bit more proud of them. I got a bunch to weed through this year. Hopefully In the next year or two I'll be able to produce a queen worth selling.
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    [QUOTE=MJuri. Not to mention even an accidental sting in the eye can cause blindness, not worth the risk to me.

    ~Matt[/QUOTE]

    Matt,
    I have hard of this fear, especially since joining beesource not much before, but have never met anyone who has ever actually been stung on the eyeball. Makes me wonder if it ever has happened. Though I imagine it has. Other than being difficult to get the stinger out and possibily the pain I don't know that it would be any worse than anywhere else. The eye seems to be the fastest recovering part of our body, if I recall hearing correctly.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    It takes two things:

    1) very gentle bees
    2) complete ignorance of how rapidly things can go bad
    This is one case where I feel called to say, Oh, come on Michael, really? To work bees au naturale it takes ignorance of how rapidly things can go bad"? I would say that if one doesn't know how fast things can change and being ready for that to happen, maybe one shouldn't go w/out veil and gloves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideBuzz View Post
    Try that loaded with bee's, I bet they just waive you on through.
    Actually have done it w/ a load of hives on the truck, un-netted. Didn't get waived thru. Even after the person realized what I had on the truck. Immigration doesn't hire wimps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph3 View Post
    Well fat/beeman shouldn't be too far below wherever you are in SC either. Yet if you insist. If you come down 29 south through lynchburg/danville. when you go through danville you are only about 15 minutes away from me.going to SC if you go 29 it shouldn't be too much different than going 95 though richmond south.

    I think it's kinda crazeh for somebody with your experience with bees to care to visit somebody like me who has so little experience but ok. I got them 25 feet or so from my front porch the closest ones and they are just like pets.

    If you wait until next year at this time I'll be a bit more proud of them. I got a bunch to weed through this year. Hopefully In the next year or two I'll be able to produce a queen worth selling.
    It's a long drive across SC, from Conway/Myrtle Beach, to GA. Though FBM did say he would put me in one of his videos.
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    > I would say that if one doesn't know how fast things can change and being ready for that to happen, maybe one shouldn't go w/out veil and gloves.

    If one understood how rapidly things can go bad they would never go w/out a veil... so it is a requirement if that is your goal...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    And yet I do from time to time. I'm surprised at your statement. Haven't I seen videos of you w/ bees w/out a veil?

    I worked for 20 years as an Apiary Inspector and the wearing of gloves while doing inspections was forbidden. Thousands of hives, removing honey crops and putting them back together. I almost always wore a veil, but often did not. I don't think I was being ignorant.
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    Default Re: How do some guys go without any kind of protective gear what so ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    >If one understood how rapidly things can go bad they would never go w/out a veil... so it is a requirement if that is your goal...
    Kinda wondering why your experience is that things can suddenly go so bad. I only see that with people who really don't understand their bees, in the way somebody does who works with them all day, every day, for years. Those people know what might come, and tend not to be caught unawares.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Old timer think about people who reads these forums. I don't believe Michael's comment pertains to people who have years and years of experience with thousands of hives. I think he was fore warning naive beginners like myself who have never had a problem with a hive thinking it is always going to be that way. I have opened my hives without protection but what if Michael is right and ten thousand bees come at me. There is no way you can get the veil on fast enough to do any good. OK so maybe it is only 30 bees. You could be a hurting pup with 30 stings at once.
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