Ok guys and gals, have read ur replies, but some don't make sense to me. The hive that i just removed the untouched ross round from is a boomer. Started at the beginning of the year with one deep and one medium. Soon had toa addanother medium which they qickly drew out. Then added the ross and another medium above it. The following week had to add another deep and another medium, and yes i had to get a stepladder. So, have since removed two full mediums for extraction, waited two weeks before giving up on the ross and removing it, untouched, and had to add another medium. What confyses me is that a ross is just a different shaped shallow, correct? By that i mean that it is a box with wax foundation for the bees to draw. So why won't they. My hive this spring has drawn from new plastic foundation, one 10 frame deep completely and three 10 frame mediums completely, and the deep is now full of brood and the three mediums are 3/4 full of honey. Yet they bypass the natural wax in the ross. Doesn't make good logical sense to me.
I was lucky to find two Ross Rounds suppers, Free. Last year I put them on with new foundation.
They filled them and capped them, but before I could harvest I got robbed Big Time.
This week my bass wood tree is blooming and I have put them back on.
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Well, its not just a shallow super. there is a LOT of plastic material taking up space the bees dont like. So they pretty much have to be forced into using this space. And they will if they feel crowded and a flow is on. I have never been able to get round combs made without first shaking all the bees down to a single deep, and giving all the rest of the supers(and brood box) to other hives.Of course this is an invitation to swarm , so its best if this hive has a young queen from the current year.
I usually put on 2 RR supers .
And leave off the excluder.
I don't use excluders on any of my hives, and another thing that has driven me nuts over the ross is, everytime i opened the hive, there were as many bees in it as the mediums, they just weren't drawing anything.
Buster does. Miniframe combs in medium depth supers.
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I always add at least two supers at a time. Also include four half filled bait sections in lowest super added. It takes a good flow and strong hive. As they are filled I remove sort and add more. As was said, some hives take to them better than others. I never use an excluded with rounds.
I about give up on them also
Right. The queens do not find the RR supers attractive to lay in so excluders aren't needed. The bees also do not like them , that's why they have to be crowded into them , with no other more attractive options. You can't mix comb honey supers with regular ones. You need to do one or the other.
I first started with RR's when Richard Taylor was writing so much about them in Gleanings. But I soon found that I could not even get them worked over a deep and shallow like he did. It just didn't work here.
And like most other things with bees , timing is everything.
I made up some RR boxes 9 inches wide and have them on my heaviest populated nucs in which I am awaiting signs of new queens. I'll see what they do with them and post here. Given that I see my nucs draw out regular combs quickly I remain optimistic.
Sounds to me like you were giving them alternative places to build comb and store honey. You really need to "force" them to work in the Ross supers -- as in, give them nowhere else to work. Sometimes it still doesn't work, but that's how it has worked, for me. But, even doing that, isn't a guarantee.
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