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    Default 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Just passing along what I saw today.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...droppi.html#/0
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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    looks like it was Safari that they were using.

    it looks like they instruct to not apply it on trees in bloom to avoid bees

    http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/fletcher/pro...pplemental.pdf

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    On the one hand the pollinator protection groups keep telling us "bumblebees are on the brink" "our food supply is threatened". And then it turns out bumblebees are actually doing so well there were 25,000 of them located in an asphalt suburban habitat: https://imageshack.com/a/img507/7028/5893.jpg

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDiamond View Post
    On the one hand the pollinator protection groups keep telling us "bumblebees are on the brink" "our food supply is threatened". And then it turns out bumblebees are actually doing so well there were 25,000 of them located in an asphalt suburban habitat: https://imageshack.com/a/img507/7028/5893.jpg
    "From the years 1872 to 2011, the authors observed slight declines in the number of bee species in comparable samples from the northeastern United States. Statistical analysis revealed that only three species exhibited a rapid and recent population collapse—all species of bumble bees, which also have been shown to be declining in previous studies. Other species, including the oil bee Macropis patellate, showed more gradual declines."

    http://www.amnh.org/explore/news-blo...rtheastern-usa

    "In the midwestern United States, University of Illinois researchers examined the status of bumblebees in that state and identified the local extirpation of four bumblebee species along with range reductions for an additional four species. On a larger geographic scale, University of Illinois researchers also assessed the occurrence of eight species across their historic ranges in the United States, identifying distributional reductions for four of the targeted species."

    http://texasbumblebees.com/decline/

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    "In the midwestern United States, University of Illinois researchers examined the status of bumblebees in that state and identified the local extirpation of four bumblebee species along with range reductions for an additional four species. On a larger geographic scale, University of Illinois researchers also assessed the occurrence of eight species across their historic ranges in the United States, identifying distributional reductions for four of the targeted species."
    Yes, declines in species diversity that goes hand and hand with suburban sprawl and the intensification of agricultural practices. But such studies never claim bumblebees are now rare in the midwestern US or rare in the crop monoculture areas of the midwest.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDiamond View Post
    On the one hand the pollinator protection groups keep telling us "bumblebees are on the brink" "our food supply is threatened". And then it turns out bumblebees are actually doing so well there were 25,000 of them located in an asphalt suburban habitat: https://imageshack.com/a/img507/7028/5893.jpg
    thats pretty amazing if you consider that a bumblebee nest only has 100's of bees in it.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    perhaps these weren't of the 3 species mentioned in the research. There's hundreds of bumblebee species.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post

    "In the midwestern United States, University of Illinois researchers examined the status of bumblebees in that state and identified the local extirpation of four bumblebee species along with range reductions for an additional four species. On a larger geographic scale, University of Illinois researchers also assessed the occurrence of eight species across their historic ranges in the United States, identifying distributional reductions for four of the targeted species."

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Assuming foliar application of Safari (dont you just love that name?) was the cause of this kill, it just clearly points out the dangers of any type of insecticide used in such a manner and the very reason systemic treatments were developed in the first place.
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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Death count on bees now over 50,000....

    http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...ee_dea.html#/1

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    Death count on bees now over 50,000....
    http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...ee_dea.html#/1
    Yes, but there are still so many surviving bumblebees in that asphalt shopping center parking lot that the pesticide contaminated trees have been covered with nets to prevent more bees from feeding on the flowers*: https://imageshack.com/a/img203/3909/s6s4.jpg

    But instead of reassuring the public that the bumblebee population in the area is still high and will be for years to come, some scientists are hyping up the biological significance of the incident in a way that frightens and alarms the public and reporters.

    Examples:

    1) "Rich Hatfield, a biologist with the Xerces Society, estimates that over 50,000 bumble bees were killed, likely representing more than 300 wild colonies. “Each of those colonies could have produced multiple new queens that would have gone on to establish new colonies next year. This makes the event particularly catastrophic.”
    http://www.xerces.org/2013/06/21/pes...ath-on-record/

    2) In a TV interview Mace Vaughn, pollinator conservation specialist with Xerces told the reporter:

    "To see something like this, what it does for me is bring it home that we got alot of work to do to understand how to not harm these insects that are critical to our food supply."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDo2urmg6U

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Sorry BlueDiamond ...no matter one's love/defense for neonics, spraying neonics (Safari, Dinotefuran) and killing 50,000 pollinators is not OK - and is a criminal offense. They just wiped out ~50,000 pollinators ..that has an effect.

    "This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct
    treatment or residues on blooming crops or
    weeds. Do not apply this product or allow it to drift
    to blooming crops or weeds if bees are visiting the
    treatment area.
    "

    It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in
    a manner inconsistent with its labeling.


    https://agdev.anr.udel.edu/maarec/wp...Control_PM.pdf

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by rniles View Post
    They just wiped out ~50,000 pollinators ..that has an effect.
    The fact that there were 50,000+ bumblebees nectaring on non-native ornamental trees in a suburban asphalt covered shopping center parking lot near Portland, Oregon shows the bee population was high despite the fact that some gardeners and other applicators may not always be following label directions and despite sizable daily bee kills by cars and despite the ongoing loss of bumblebee nesting habitat due to suburban sprawl in the region.

    So we see that even if extraordinary measures were taken to prevent another shopping center bee kill (e.g. banning neonicotinoid insecticides, quadrupling label violation fines, requiring applicators to have a 4 year college degree, etc) they would not improve the bumblebee population numbers in the region in a mathematically meaningful way.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Seriously Blue Diamond?????????? It's OK to kill 50,000 bees becuase there appears to quite a few more than what certain pollinator groups say there are...OK, OK what side are you on again ??? Are you for real ??? Alot of posters here who supposedly love bees to death take up your defense for you ... must be becuase they have several forum ID's here.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDiamond View Post
    asphalt covered shopping center parking lot
    I see you don't know the area very well. Besides being 18 miles south of Portland, the site isn't downtown New York as you are trying to represent.

    Your mantra is pointless and mute - and falsely represents the situation.

    I'm quite curious and hopefully you don't take offence - but do you post anything that doesn't have to do with supporting insecticides or in defense of Monsanto, Bayer and Syngenta?

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by rniles View Post
    I see you don't know the area very well. Besides being 18 miles south of Portland, the site isn't downtown New York as you are trying to represent.
    I said the setting was a "suburban asphalt covered shopping center parking lot"
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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    If you take a look at BlueDiamond's posting history, you will see that he/she ONLY posts here on Beesource on threads about pesticide use, and, that he/she ALWAYS defends and promotes said pesticide use and the companies that manufacture them.

    I will leave you to draw your own conclusions about why that might be........

    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Seriously Blue Diamond?????????? It's OK to kill 50,000 bees becuase there appears to quite a few more than what certain pollinator groups say there are...OK, OK what side are you on again ??? Are you for real ??? Alot of posters here who supposedly love bees to death take up your defense for you ... must be becuase they have several forum ID's here.

    Keep banging on how pesticides saved the world.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    Is it just me? Or does no one else out there realize that Blue Diamond is the largest almond producer in the world? LOL, haven't really been keeping up with this thread but saw a comment about how Blue Diamond was defending the pesticide industry. Made me laugh. Of course Blue Diamond would do that.

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    Default Re: 25,000 Bumble Bees Killed, Along with Honey Bees and Lady Bugs?

    why put up nets? wouldn't a liberal use of "bee go" be more effective of keeping the bees out of the trees than nets?

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