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    Default Ceder hives : worth it?

    I just lost a hive this weekend to beetles. Just crushed me and started making me wonder if it is worth the work. Then I saw these cedar hives. Do they help keep out the nasty bugs and pests that plague hives?

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    No. It is worth the work if you enjoy bees. We all have our set-backs. We learn from them and from others....and try to minimize our set-backs. Join a club if you can and "hang-out" here!
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    What snl said! The wisdom you acquire from experienced beekeepers is a powerful tool in keeping your bees healthy. You can't do it alone.
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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Use beetle jails.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBuzz View Post
    Use beetle jails.
    I respectfully disagree. I've used them in the past and hate them. You spill oil in the hive in using them and they don't kill that many of the little vermin. What I use are the IPK small beetle traps from Green Beehives.

    http://www.greenbeehives.com/ipk-sma...d-painted.html

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    keeping colonies strong is the best way and never giving to much space to quickly.

    Cedar is nice to have but it will not stop the beetles from coming in.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    I've used them in the past and hate them. You spill oil in the hive in using them and they don't kill that many of the little vermin.
    I've used them too. They worked great for me. They would accumulate a heck of a lot of beetle bodies.

    Do cedar hives irritate the bees too? It seems to me that if cedar is used to keep moths out of clothes and beetles out of hives, it would irritate the bees too.

    A lot of people use them, though. So I guess not...I really don't understand that.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Cedar does not do much to repel the beetle or the wax worms. But it is fun to work with and makes a nice hive. I use local red cedar and have less problems with it over store bought white board when I have to work with it. And I can buy cedar from a sawmill cheaper than I can go to a lumber yard and pick up a pine board. I still use yellow pine for frames and supers.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    I seldom see a beetle in my hives since I have been sprinkling coarse salt around them. I generously sprinkle salt under and all around my hives and it really has cut down the number of beetles I see. It also stops weeds from growing around the hives.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Very Interesting. Salt. Gotta try that. I've been sprinkling cinnamon to help control ants. I'll have to make a mix of salt and cinnamon.

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    Hives out in the sunlight and strong hives are the best defense for SHB. Of course, the traps and trays and stuff help, too.
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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    can you please share what type of salt you use?

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    > Then I saw these cedar hives. Do they help keep out the nasty bugs and pests that plague hives?

    No, it does nothing to keep out wax moths, Varroa or small hive beetles. Cedar boxes age well, but the wood is expensive and brittle. It splits easily when assembling it. If it's free, I love cedar (scrap wood)... if I have to buy it, it's too expensive.
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    I have two hives out of cedar. I agree with MBush on the cost and workability. I use it when I can get it cheap. Currently worked 500 bf of Ponderosa Pine and came out with about 95 boxes worth. Good stuff as it has a good density for a pine wood.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    I don't want to hijack this thread and will be happy to start a new one.
    I just got some Eastern Red Cedar from a man locally, he was selling it as scrap saying it is not a whole good board, but i can cut out the bad bits and make medium supers, anyway, can i use Eastern Red Cedar ( with a slight cedar aroma ) for hive body's, or honey supers, i have read quite a bit about it, some say "NO", some say "Yes i use it all the time", some say "NO, the cedar odor will taint the honey", does anybody use Eastern Red Cedar in their hives?
    Eastern Red Cedar.jpg
    Thank you
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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    I have built boxes out of whatever scraps I got, which have included Western, Eastern and Aromatic red cedar. I never noticed any taste, but then not all my boxes were cedar and all the honey was mixed together.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    ...No, it does nothing to keep out wax moths...
    Since 2009 I never saw any mold and wax moths inside of my cedar hive bodies. And below you can see the superb condition of my cedar hive body after cold winter:
    http://www.beebehavior.com/beeimages...cedar_hive.jpg
    More pictures are posted here:
    http://www.beebehavior.com/cedar_hives.php

    But it will not help if your colonies are weak!

    "Cedar contains natural oils (phenols) which help prevent decay and insect attack. Cedar has a dense cell structure, approximately 10 ten million cells per cubic inch. Cedar shrinks and swells at minimal rate, remains flat and is resistant to checking. "
    From: http://www.chapmanlumberinc.com/Ceda...--Railing.html

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    Last edited by Boris; 07-11-2013 at 09:01 AM.

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    >Since 2009 I never saw any mold and wax moths inside of my cedar hive bodies.

    I'm sure I can find some cedar boxes around here with wax moth cocoons in them...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Hey Michael, thank you for the information.
    It looks like i will build a hive (mediums) and see what happens .
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    Martin O'Donnell

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    Default Re: Ceder hives : worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    ..I'm sure I can find some cedar boxes around here with wax moth cocoons in them...
    Hard to believe. Could you show us some pictures please.

    In addition, cedar wood is naturally water-resistant, it doesn't require any treatment before being used outside
    This is the second reason why I prefer to use cedar hive bodies as the first (bottom) hive bodies. Here you can see the current condition (July 12,2013) of the cedar hive bodies:
    http://www.beebehavior.com/beeimages...uly12,2013.jpg
    http://www.beebehavior.com/beeimages...uly12,2013.jpg
    http://www.beebehavior.com/beeimages...uly12,2013.jpg

    "...Red Cedar is usually the first choice for beehives as, although it is a softwood, it has good preservative qualities and therefore lasts longer. It doesn’t need to be painted...
    This is the wood that National hives, the most common hive in the UK, are made of."
    http://www.beeginnerbeekeeper.com/bee-hive-plans/


    "Cedar is the traditional timber which UK beehives are made from, specifically Western Red Cedar. Whilst Cedar hives are the most popular, they can be made from pretty much any wood, although Cedar is the preferred timber if the hives are to last long in the British weather...

    The reasons that Western Red Cedar is so widely used for beehives is because it contains natural oils which preserve the wood and therefore does not need treating with chemicals to help preserve it...
    There are a huge number of companies and individuals who manufacture Cedar hives..."
    http://www.honeybeehive.co.uk/beekee...t/cedar-hives/


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    Last edited by Boris; 07-12-2013 at 10:48 AM.

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