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    Default Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I donated my 8 frame hive to a friend that has 10 frame styro equipment. (He lost his package in shipment)

    He has plastic frames and starting brand new he has no comb and I have no foundation to work with. I am not thrilled about plastic frames but I was thinking I could build some comb for him by using his boxes on top of my hive. So the question becomes how do you stop up the two frame gap that would be at the bottom of the first super?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Cut a sheet of plywood to the outer dimensions of the ten frame super. Cut a hole in the middle of the plywood matching the inner dimensions of the eight frame equipment. Put the plywoo in between. You'll have some burr comb to deal with. Same idea as Brushy's nuc intro board. http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com...oductinfo/649/

    Someone might have a better way.

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I run plastic frames mostly and I would suggest if you have some bee's wax rub it like a soap bar all over foundation, my bees are all over it when I add it to the hive.
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevtater View Post
    Cut a sheet of plywood to the outer dimensions of the ten frame super.
    I thought about doing this but didn't like how thin the section would be at the ends of the top bars. Then it hit me. All I need to do is screw on two blocks of wood on the top of the wooden 8 framer to stretch it out to a ten instead of dealing with the styro. Then just take the blocks off when I give him back his styro 10 frame.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I have used 8 frame supers on my one oddball 10 frame hive. Just cover the gap on the first super with plywood or coreplast. If you use coreplast you could probably just pin it in place.

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Why not just use your equipment with his frames? Add or subtract as needed.

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Cause I am out of equipment.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Quote Originally Posted by David LaFerney View Post
    I have used 8 frame supers on my one oddball 10 frame hive.
    Just so you have the picture right it is reversed, 8 frame hive, 10 frame super. Actually I was thinking of using the deep so he would have some comb for next year.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Just box-in the empty space with cardboard...

    A few cuts, two folds, and some duct tape. "and Bob's your uncle".
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    Just box-in the empty space with cardboard...

    A few cuts, two folds, and some duct tape. "and Bob's your uncle".
    I think I get the picture but who is Bob? Will the bees chew into unwaxed cardboard?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I think you will have to hire an engineer to design this fix.

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Good engineers are tough to find in Utica!

    > who is Bob?

    It's a catch phrase dating back to 1887, when, in a blatant case of favoritism, British Prime Minister Robert Cecil (a.k.a. Lord Salisbury) decided to appoint his nephew Arthur Balfour to the prestigious and sensitive post of Chief Secretary for Ireland.

    So "Bob's your uncle" is another way of saying "your success is guaranteed."
    You just put these parts together like this, and Bob's your uncle - you have a working model!

    You want to go to the stadium? Go straight on until you reach the park, take the first left, and Bob’s your uncle - you're there!

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...20your%20uncle
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I neglected to mention that there is an issue with bee space until I received some suggestions.

    The styro box has the frames setting 1/4 down from the top edge and flush with the bottom. My frames set 1/8 down from the top. Not quite enough to create a good bee space between the two boxes. So I was thinking of cutting up my plastic excluder to allow free access to the three outside frames leaving the mesh in the center. This would give me the added space between the two boxes for a proper bee space.

    Now for the cardboard spacing ... would you center the 10 frame and make two spacers or offset the 10 frame and make the space for two frames?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    I just did like Kavtater said - used a piece of plywood with a big hole cut in the center. I don"t think the bees mind if the measurements are not exact - I do not find many square trees with bees in them.
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    I think you will have to hire an engineer to design this fix.
    I'm an engineer

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevtater View Post
    I'm an engineer
    So is Brian/Acebird. I'd tack a piece of wood under the overhanging box. Have it overhang on one side only. But I ain't no engineer.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Thanks Mark. I was going to go for symmetry but art is probably more appropriate for beekeeping.

    Oh, off topic but my beginner friend painted his boxes black! Will one of those on top of a white hive be Okay and should I tell him to repaint his boxes another color?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Other than absorbing more sunlight and getting hotter I don't see any problem w/ black super on top of a white hive. The bees will still use it.

    How tall a hive will this be? Maybe having two frames more over on one side isn't such a good idea, if the hive gets high and top heavy. I could see this thing falling over later in the year.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: Eight frame hive, ten frame super

    Yeah, I was concerned about that two. One is five medium boxes high and the other is seven. Yesterday they were bearding like crazy until the T-storm hit. I just propped the covers on both hives. I am not going to put anything on top of the seven. Too high for me to manage.
    Anyone local that wants to set up a swarm box on our property is welcomed. Actually I have a 10 frame deep box and brood comb that you can use. It is setting next to the hives now but I don't think that is too effective.
    Brian Cardinal
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