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  1. #1
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    Default Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Take my best queen out of her hive and put her in a nuc, with the frame and bees she is on and a feeder. Let the hive build queen cells.
    When they are sealed, swap the frame with queen cells for the he frame I pulled with the queen? Will the hive just take her back, as it is queenless and its their old queen? This seems like a painless way for me to grow a couple queens a year to have on hand for splits or re-queening. But I’ve got a feeling it’s not that easy….

    Next question, If I put her back, and there are more queen cells, am I prompting a swarm, or will she just kill them....

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Pretty much it's that easy...

    http://bushfarms.com/beesafewgoodqueens.htm
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Being a complete newb I have a couple of questions of the method described.
    1) Are you literally going to put just one frame in the nuc or will it need to be filled and is so how many Brood, honey and or pollen?
    2) I take it the nuc will be relocated during the time required to get queen cells in the original hive? Or can it be in the same yard, just covered with a branch for a couple of days?
    3) When swapping the queen with her frame back to the original hive and putting the new queen cells into the nuc, do you shake more workers into the nuc?
    4) What is the desired frame make up in this "mating nuc"?

    I'm just getting ready to try to raise a couple of queens and am on "information overload". Thanks

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    I think I missed something or Mr Bush did too. When trying to make a new queen with a frame of bees and brood, you leave the queen with the parent hive. I have done this many times and have had good luck getting the bees to make a queen. I even have a have had several queen cells made by one split nuc. I carefully cut out some queen cells and put them on frames in a queen-less Nuc.
    If a Nuc is queen less for a few days or weeks, and they are given a frame of brood with eggs they will make queen cells.

    Mr. Bush am I correct??

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    There will be more than just one frame of queen cells in the main hive.
    If you put the queen back in without finding and removing ALL started cells, you will be getting a swarm, or getting your good queen killed, or everything will go as you planned, depending on the age of the cells, the flows, the strength of the hive, and other factors. If you are not at least somewhat experienced in beekeeping, I think you are asking for trouble.

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Quote Originally Posted by RayMarler View Post
    There will be more than just one frame of queen cells in the main hive.
    If you put the queen back in without finding and removing ALL started cells, you will be getting a swarm, or getting your good queen killed, or everything will go as you planned, depending on the age of the cells, the flows, the strength of the hive, and other factors. If you are not at least somewhat experienced in beekeeping, I think you are asking for trouble.
    I should have pointed that out,,,I always check for queen cells in all my hives and I make sure there are no other queen cells in my hives.

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Why put the queen back? I think it would be easier to move the queen to a nuc wait till cells are capped move all but one or 2 cells from the original hive to other mating nucs and let them do their thing. Don't have to worry about original hive killing the queen

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    I"m worried about my new queen not returning from the mating flight in the main hive. By the time I figure it out, they will have been queenless for about a month. I'd rather take that risk in my nuc or queen castle, where it's easy to find her and easy to see that she is gone. I guess both methods have some risk. But I think returning the queen on the frame I took her out with on the 9th day is the least risky.

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    Will be trying this soon.
    Becky aka Turnersville Bees, Member of TN Beekeepers,
    President of CMCBA, Secretary of CCBA

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    Default Re: Is this a safe way to raise a couple of queens.

    You could leave your good queen in the nuc. And divide your hive into mating nuc's with the queen cells.

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