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    Default Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Is there any way to orient a hive opening to make it harder/impossible for the SHB to enter? I noticed on one of my hives that the opening of my inner cover had a ring of propolis around it. I assume that would prevent the SHB from running down into the hive. The thought occurred to me that removing the bottom board and replacing with an inner cover on table legs might allow the bees to do the same thing on the other end. I'm also wondering if SHB would be able to navigate that entrance without landing. Am I being ridiculous, or is it worth a shot?

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    I have been trying to come up with something myself. Although this year I have not have as many issues with beetles this year.. Looking at the beetle jail traps.. I would hope I could make something similar to this:
    http://beetlejail.com/store/index.ph...&product_id=55

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Ridiculous! The beetles are way smaller than bees. They even seem to be able to get into hives that are loaded with bees. I don't see how you can have an entrance for the bees that won't also serve the beetles, fwiw.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    better thought is how to stop the larve from reaching the ground.... a combination of gaurdstar, solid bottoms and top entrances have really cut into my beetle issues.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    better thought is how to stop the larve from reaching the ground...
    I've wondered if a mulch of spun landscape fabric--like Tyvek, but water permeable--under and around the hives would stop them. Anyone know?

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    better thought is how to stop the larve from reaching the ground....
    That's a good thought...for inhibiting future SHB, but once larvae is crawling around in and exiting the hive, you must take immediate action within the hive to stop them. Getting salvageable frames out and freezing them, moving bees to new frames etc...
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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    I think the black plastic with gravel on top is working for me.. The plastic makes the barrier and the gravel keeps the sun from eating the plastic. I had a lot of beetle traps in the hive all last year. I still have a couple in each hive this year but have not see any in there yet.

    I think it everyone stopped the larva from making it to the ground there would be less and less..

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    better thought is how to stop the larve from reaching the ground.... a combination of gaurdstar, solid bottoms and top entrances have really cut into my beetle issues.
    SHB's can pupate in the hive as well as in the ground.
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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    I use mud flaps from dump trucks and semis that lay along the highway. I have seen 1 beetle in 10 years and that was this spring. He got the hive tool smash. The mud flaps get real hot in the summer sun don't know if that is what helps or not. Also my bees are all feral swarms, cutouts and splits from them and treatment free.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    never hear or seen that......

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldprospector View Post
    SHB's can pupate in the hive as well as in the ground.
    That's an interesting concept, but somewhat contrary to what the University of Georgia's Entomology dept says:
    Beetle larvae do not spin webs or cocoons in the bee hive but rather pupate in the soil outside the hive.

    http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/disorder...ve-beetle.html
    Perhaps you could provide a link (or other reference) with more information about SHBs pupating in the hive?
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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    better thought is how to stop the larve from reaching the ground.... a combination of gaurdstar, solid bottoms and top entrances have really cut into my beetle issues.
    I'm having a tough time this year. Making some corex and Beetle Jail traps using boric acid. I was wondering if solid bottoms and smaller entrances would help the bees in their fight against the beetles.

    I know not scraping propolis really makes a difference, too. I've seen them entomb beetles in propolis this year. Sticky and effective.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by Gino45 View Post
    Ridiculous! I don't see how you can have an entrance for the bees that won't also serve the beetles, fwiw.
    I'm wondering if flight agility/maneuverability can be exploited. Force them to land and walk rather than fly into the hive.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Quote Originally Posted by justusflynns View Post
    I'm wondering if flight agility/maneuverability can be exploited. Force them to land and walk rather than fly into the hive.

    A friend of mine has his hives 15 feet off the ground (on his back deck) and hasn't seen a single beetle in any of his hives. Makes me wonder if there's an altitude cut-off for the beetles' flight paths.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Gino, I am with you there.. But I did see a video if this thing in action. The bees with their long legs step over the entrance and a hive beetle came along and landed on the edge of the trap, slipped and fell into the trap... Pretty cool.. I would like to know someone using one and see how it goes..

    All of my have except for a couple of NUCs are on 2/6 hive stands.. the 2/6s are on blocks and bricks.. Late last summer after having a hive beetle problem all summer.. I cleaned out from under my hives, put down thick black plastic and covered it with gravel. It is setup so that it drains well. Along the outside I have bricks so it keeps the gravel in place.. In my thoughts, I figured if a hive beetle larva made it out of the hive it will land in that hot gravel and that would be the end of it... So far this year I have not see many hive beetles...maybe it has not been time for them yet, I do not know, but i think I have slowed them down for sure.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Well, I like bottom entrances as they give me early insight into any problems being caused by beetles. So I am able to get to them early before they escape into the soil (or rocks). With no bottom entrance, I can't see what's going on from the outside and don't have this early detection.

    Also, the beetles are great flyers and my thought is that I am get them from elsewhere rather than raising my own, fwiw.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Gino45: this year I have seen a major reduction in beetle numbers. All of the hives in those 3 affected yards are very strong this year. I don't know if the hive numbers are high because there are no beetles or if there are no beetles because I have well stocked colonies.

    I hope this is a trend that continues. Not seeing beetles on the inner cover on inspection is something I could get used to.....
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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    We help teach a bee class at USF. I have noticed that that all of the gardens hives are in full sun and have few if any hive beetles. Some of the students who keep hives there have their hives in full or partial shade. They are constantly using beetle traps and squashing beetles. There have also been several student hives crash. Our hives at home are on a concrete pad in full sun We have almost no hive beetles. My theory is that the concrete makes it hard for the beetles larvae to burrow and pupate and the heat discourages the beetles. Try moving your hives to get full sun and put some sort of barrier on the ground to prevent the beetles from pupating.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    I have 15 hives. Twelve of my hives are on a reclaimed gravel pit. The soil is clay and it still has plenty of gravel. While I do see an occasional beetle in these twelve hives I have never had to treat for beetles nor lost a hive to beetles. I also have one hive placed under some high hanging cedar limbs with cedar sheds all around this hive. Again, I have never had problem with beetles in this hive. However, the remaining two are a different story. They are in soft soil and I am constantly doing beetle control.

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    Default Re: Small Hive Beetle idea/question

    Tom -
    In response to where I actually put the traps - I've found that I'm catching just as many directly on top of the brood, as in the 'back' of the hive as generally recommended. I don't want to un-necessarly 'plug' a product but these (www.beeterbeetleblaster.com) have been working for me so far. I originally tried adding some apple cider to them because the 'smell' was supposed to lure them - but haven't found that to be true. I also found this interesting presentation which is quite informative on the SHB if anybody's interested .. http://vimeo.com/31401082

    I'd also like to note that I don't like the idea of purchasing anything that's not recyclable - so I just put them in with the other bottles I have whenever I take them to the recycling yard - and they're not the wiser. I've found also that you need to shop around, as the pricing varies between different distributers. It's best if you can combine some orders with others - possibly from your local bee club and get better discounting. For some reasoning, the price doesn't change until you hit their magic 100-count number. I'd originally tried the smaller units that would 'hang' on the sides of the frames (instead of having to have 2 frames to be sandwiched in between) and were re-usable, but believe there wasn't as many 'holes' in the units and more beetles were running across them - instead of being chased, or falling into them.

    good luck ..

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