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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    The idea being to help pollinators and increase yields.

    No soybeans/double cropping?

    So, Monsanto forms the HBAC, and all they have to show is 450 acres (probably CRP) of wildflowers for pollinators?

    But there's over 150 million acres of GM crops?

    Somethings wrong with the whole approach.

    By the way, did you ever locate GM soybeans that could support Honeybees?

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I grow canola, wheat, corn, barley, ..
    All GM?
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by cerezha View Post
    All GM?
    no, just the canola, and all the corn
    we use it in during the canola rotation to clean the land for the other two years of our rotation
    we use it in the corn so that we do not need to row crop the land anymore and we save countless dollars not having to buy the traditional corn spray or pre seeding land treatments. Now its just sow the crop, spray in two weeks, and send the combine months later. I often wonder if people actually realize how much easier on the land growing corn has become
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post

    By the way, did you ever locate GM soybeans that could support Honeybees?
    did not know I was looking for such,
    do you realize that most of our field crops require very little pollinator support if any? Small insect does some, but wind is the biggest source of pollination on the prairies.
    Having bees on a canola field will increase the yield by 3-5%, and there is no real hard data behind that because of the enormous amount of variability.
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    I think it will take only a few more years and you must eat your own GM products. No other country will have it anymore.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    North America sells canola by the boat load into Europe currently used for Bio Diesel, so that the canola grown domestically can be used directly for consumption. I would suggest Europes canola oil market heavily influenced by GM canola, as its all the GM canola that is keeping thier own domestically grown oil affordable,

    I predict the opposite, as food prices increase over the years, more markets are going to open up to GM products as people start to accept 20 years of research and start think with their wallets

    like I said, nearly 20 years of use, in Canada, and no, absolutely no detrimental effect on ourselves or the environment
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    also seems like it would clean the mites only off of the field bees, but do little of anything with the nurse bees and the brood (where the mites cycle)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    from the opening link ;
    >>>Only a closer look shows the immense benefits of this innovation. The plastic strip is coated in chemicals. Whenever a bee passes through the gate, it touches the edge. This transfers a mite poison (acaricide) to the bee and kills any mites it may be carrying. The substance needs to be permanently available on the surface of the strip so that protection can last for several weeks. <<<

    Whats the chances of any pollen making it into the hive through this gadget? or worst, when the bees get the pollen through, it will be nicely treated with its chemical agent,...

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    WLC, I'm guessing that you don't realize that field corn is a specific kind of corn. I sugest you should bite into an ear of it to appreciate the difference!

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    Breeding and genetic modification are two VERY different things. GMO's are only able to be created in a lab using very sophisticated techniques to force the DNA of one organism into the DNA of another organism. GMO's do NOT occur outside of a laboratory....
    yea, they do. Big Dawg, you are a Genetically Modified Organism. Anything or anyone that has had a viral infection has had their DNA fused with genes from another organism.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    BHB:

    Do you mean the difference between flour, flint, and dent corn?

    I did have a chance to read up on Reid's Yellow Dent field corn.

    It's a field corn that's popular with organic farmer types.

    Even though it's a non GM, heritage type of corn, without the same yield as GM varieties, it's far more nutritious than GM, and livestock will eat the stalk down to the ground.

    I do read 'Mother Earth News' since someone gives me recent issues. They mention Beesource and Mike Bush in 'ask our experts'.

    You might like the article "Overfed, and Undernourished: nutrient deficiency in our modern diet".

    They mention a conspiracy by industrial agriculture and the food industry.

    Hey, if bees won't touch it...
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Interesting article: http://ecowatch.com/2013/buzz-off-monsanto/ introduces the term "bee-washing" into the vernacular.......

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    BigDawg:

    I saw the article as well.

    I liked the use of the new term "Bee Washing" to describe what Monsanto's HBAC is all about.

    In fact, I may call a few folks out as 'Bee Washers'.

    Here's an article that thinks that the blame needs to be shared by Dupont:

    http://www.sfgate.com/business/inves...-t-4610976.php

    That's a new tactic.
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Very interesting read and good comments!

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    I concur, that is an excellant read.........WLC
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    Interesting article. But once again I see the misleading or pointing the finger at everyone else that is so consistent in the defense of Monsanto. For the most part the entire article is saying. See others make mistakes also. Monsanto is not accused of making mistakes. They are accused of not caring and in fact lying and covering up mistakes. now they have another product that is being accused of causing harm and are doing the exact same thing. This is not a new incarnation of an old company. it is the same old same old. profit driven deceptive clone of anything else this company has been. and in that is the difference.

    Monsanto should not be allowed to be a part of it's own defense. they are liars. and everyone that cares to know that will know that. They need to shut up and be tried. So it has nothing to do with a company making a product that turned out to be harmful. it is about a company that made a product knowing it was harmful and then adamantly denying that it was even after the fact. Monsanto is not trusted because they have soundly demonstrated they are untrustworthy.
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    Monsanto should not be allowed to be a part of it's own defense. they are liars. and everyone that cares to know that will know that. They need to shut up and be tried.
    This has actually been tried in some countries throughout history with varying degrees of success.
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    This has actually been tried in some countries throughout history with varying degrees of success.
    Do you mean all-EU ban for Monsanto/Bayer products?
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Sergey:

    Don't be too sure about European politics.

    My read is that it's a power play by a technocrat lawyer.

    Very, very smart. $$$

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    .. it's a power play by a technocrat lawyer....
    Why?
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Uhhh...

    Both my ex-boss and my brother's best man were pardoned by the same president, in the same year, for unrelated offenses. And, they didn't even know each other.

    I know it when I see it.

    Monsanto was ready for the ban.

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