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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Neonics are a nearly $2 billion a year product line, and Monsanto has been selling neonic products for over 15 years now according to my info. At some point during the hearings in the EU about the potential ban on neonics, Monsanto provided info trying to sway regulators about losses to the economy from a ban, and in the report were figures showing that Monsanto had made over $1 Billion from systemic/neonic pesticides. I'll try and dig it up....

    Hyperbole is saying that Monsanto does not make money from neonics--as a back-handed way of making critics of Monsanto sound ignorant--when the truth is that Monsanto DOES make a LOT of money from neonic products that they market and sell...... I provided links to Monsanto's own website where they list these products, so please let's stop with the hyperbole about hyperbole.....

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    My biggest fear from Monsanto re bees is their purchase of BeeLogics. Wouldn't surprise me if they are working on genetically modified bees (that can fight varroa or whatever). Then when their GM drones mate with our queens, they will sue us for patent infringement and charge us to use their patented genes--just like they have done to organic farmers whose crops are contaminated by windblown pollen from their GMO corn and soybeans. If you don't think that could happen, you don't know their history.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Why not just deal with facts instead of hyperbole?
    are you kidding Jim,? these guys dont toss around facts when talking about these ag giants, they dont have to! a bunch of made up criss crossed mixed up statements works better at making their points,

    hmmm, was this topic not started on some varroa gate? I have not heard mention of it during this entire discussion, just a lot of company bashing
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    I think a new rule will be, if bees aren't part of at least every other post, the thread gets closed. Might get kinda boring around here!
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Do I think that Monsanto, Bayer, etc., have the resources to beat Varroa destructor?

    Yup.

    It's only recently, however, that they've become interested in Honeybee health.

    Perhaps it's the bad press or the EU ban, or the neonic dust that has brought this about.

    They've courted alot of the big name beekeeping experts.

    They've also gathered together some of the best scientific talent in beekeeping.

    We'll just have to wait and see how things work out.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    The beekeeping industry has had small dollars spent on RnD over these last 50 years where as it sits within the agricultural industry that has had billions spent on it. The landscape has changed, our hives do not interact with agriculture the same way they did 50 years ago. Beekeeping has to catch up, we need to be able to control all these diseases without drenching our hives with chemicals. We need our hives to be able to co exist amoung fields of crop without fearing pesticide losses. We need to be able to provide our hives with adequate nutrition which will allow them to survive to the next season.

    We do not have any of that right now, If these guys are willing to pour in the cash to help alleviate some of our issues Im all for it. There is alot of breaking science right around the corner, we have to be willing to adopt it.

    and for all the rest of you, good luck trying to change things back to the way they were 50 years ago....
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Nance, they will not make a gmo bee. That was stated at the recent summit. Also, Monsanto has never sued for inadvertent trait drift, case in point the recent supreme court decision to toss the case brought on by all the big organic companies. The companies were suing stating the company would come after them if they found licensed traits in their product but there wasn't a single case to back up their claims where someone got sued for not knowing a trait got into their material.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Ian, that was discussed at the summit as well. Almonds put about 160k a year into it. Someone asked why no one else in the Ag industry does and Dan Cummings was clear... bees have always been seen as an input cost, an expense, and being such needs to support itself. That being said, it's also known that beekeepers get the short end of the stick on pollination prices etc... but that comes down to basic economics. Pollination prices drop off after almonds because supply outweighs demand.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    JR13:

    Technically, they don't have to make a GM bee. That's part of what Beeologics' technology was about.

    Frankly, it was a big leap in the whole GM model. Instant transgenesis, and then it's gone.

    As for what some folks are saying about the role of managed pollinators in improving productivity..

    They're wrong.

    All GM crops should have been made deliberately attractive to pollinators like Honeybees, even the self pollinating kind.

    That was a big mistake.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    if beekeepers even had half the tools the rest of agriculture just assumes, we would be in a totally different working environment right now.

    Let me make a point,

    This last summer North America was hot and dry. We beekeepers all know what that means, and we were all talking about what that hot dry weather was going to do on our hives wintering ability. But it was not until they started dying that same winter did anyone actually realize what was happening! Mal Nutrition, queens shut down, stress, disease, dead hives.

    Are there any beekeepers in the country side that had taken a pollen sample to determine the nutrition coming in? Were the bees getting what they needed to survive? Nobody knows, because nobody except for a few beekeepers in California does that stuff, nobody knows exactly what has to be coming into the hive at particular times of the year to keep the hives going. If beekeepers knew that, all of our hives would be alive. Including mine and my neighbours. Supplements would of been used this last summer.

    Our cattle operation does not go a day without measuring out exactly what each animal needs from food that has been prepared from analysis done to determine the exact feed values. Its not rocket science, just we have a avenue through our suppliers which provide us these services. And the pay back to us is huge.

    we need a bit of that in the beekeeping industry,
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    It needs the same subsidies that much of the rest of U.S. agriculture enjoys.

    Perhaps the EU ban is beekeeping's 'Cinderella' moment? Is this your glass slipper?

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    who said anything about beekeeping subsidies?

    actually subsidies has very little if anything to do with it,
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Beekeepers are like a 'step sister'.

    It's far too challenging to make beekeeping a viable lifestyle choice without them.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    okay WLC, who ever you are,
    your making about as much sense as you did during our last conversation. A connection to agriculture would help you understand the dynamics better,

    good luck with that
    Last edited by Ian; 06-15-2013 at 07:50 PM.
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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Honeybee pollination of crops is known to produce an increase in yields in the double digit %ages.

    The same can be said about GM technology.

    Which of the two is preferable?

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Do I think that Monsanto, Bayer, etc., have the resources to beat Varroa destructor? Yup. It's only recently, however, that they've become interested in Honeybee health. Perhaps it's the bad press or the EU ban, or the neonic dust that has brought this about.
    I think Monsanto and Bayer figure the best way to deal with all the anti-synthetic pesticide, anti-GMO, pro-organic activism is to beat the activists at their own game via coming out with innovative products to help solve bee health problems. Who knows, maybe they even have an advanced nutritional supplement for bees up their sleeve. And Bayer just came out with a comprehensive new line of natural, organic approved insecticides, fungicides and herbicides for the organic oriented home gardener: http://www.bayeradvanced.com/natria

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Y'all are attributing a lot of motives to corporations that just exist to make money for their shareholders.
    Go to Heaven for the climate, go to Hell for the company. -Mark Twain

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    cg3:

    After the EU ban due to environmental contamination and bee kills, I think that they're going to be much more interested in what beekeepers are saying.

    Otherwise, they will have to explain things to shareholders.

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Honeybee pollination of crops is known to produce an increase in yields in the double digit %ages.
    crops such as.......?
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Monsanto & Bayer Working On Varroa Mite Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by RayMarler View Post
    Varroa has been here since the late 1980's and CCD was not until 2006. I have a hard time believing that varroa is the main issue for the recent decline in beehive survival over winter. Common sense and logic says this is a distraction from Bayer and Monsanto.
    Neonics were around before 2006.

    Although so were cell towers, but that doesn't stop a few holdouts from swearing that "cell tower radiation" is the cause of CCD, either.
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