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    Default Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    This has probably already discussed at some stage, but does anyone keep bees in a modified TBH using conventional wired frames? Naturally, the box would need to be rectangular to accommodate them without the sloping sides but that is probably all that needs to be changed.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    That is what is called a long hive.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Search for Long Lang. There are plenty of threads with a lot of info on this site. I have 2-TBH's, 2-warre's, and 4-long langs. They are all learning lessons with unique advantages and lessons. Long langs are great as you don't have to lift boxes. If you try long langs make sure it is three boxes long. If you only do a two box it will fill up fast.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Just follow the link in my sig and you can see the first Long Langs I have built. My next 2 will be three boxes long. They work like a TBH but use Lang equipment and I can add honey supers if needed.
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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    http://bushfarms.com/beeshorizontalhives.htm

    By definition it's not a top bar hive if there are frames...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    It would be nice to have a TB hive that had square sides, but used conventional top bars. My son's TBH's queen disappeared and although we found an opened queen cell, have yet to see brood. It would be so easy to fortify his hive by dropping some of my Lang frames with brood into it.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Belewsboy View Post
    It would be nice to have a TB hive that had square sides, but used conventional top bars.
    That would be a Tanzanian TBH, wouldn't it? Those have vertical sides.

    Cheers,
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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    That would be a long hive. Top bar hives don't have frames. If it has frames it isn't a TBH, Kenyan, Tanzanian, or otherwise. You could argue that you can a hive with frames and still be a TBH, but you would have to have a top bar on the frame that seals the top closed.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    You're right, he probably meant conventional frame rather than conventional top bar. Never mind.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    No doubt. I did see a hive that someone had pictures of that was uber wide and you could put in lang frames. You could bolt a 5 frame nuc to the end of a top bar hive as a transition tool or rescue method.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Tango Yankee View Post
    That would be a Tanzanian TBH, wouldn't it? Those have vertical sides.

    Cheers,
    Tom
    It's similar to a Tanzanian top bar hive in form, but there the TTBH uses just top bars, a Long Lang uses full frames and can take advantage (if you think of it as that) of foundation, wires, plastic frames, etc.

    Just build a 4' box out of 1" wood the same height as a deep Lang box with the usual 3/8" rabbet down the sides.

    Poof.. Long Lang.

    Assuming you need a large inner cover? Or can you just use a telescoping roof. Not sure about that. I don't do Langs... Yet.

    My top bars are cut to Lang specs, so I can always put them into a Lang to have them drawn out straight, do a TBH->Lang split or whatnot.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by shannonswyatt View Post
    No doubt. I did see a hive that someone had pictures of that was uber wide and you could put in lang frames. You could bolt a 5 frame nuc to the end of a top bar hive as a transition tool or rescue method.
    That's exactly how I want to get started because all the nucs around here use langstroth frames.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by NRustica View Post
    That's exactly how I want to get started because all the nucs around here use langstroth frames.
    put them in a full size box insert top bars between the frames a couple at a time, then split it back down to a nuc. trim the top bars to fit the sides and you now have 2 hives. a lang and a TBH

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    I have the long hive with deep-box Lang dimensions but 2x long. It could accommodate standard deep frames and/or top bars. Bees love the hive! There are two main problems with this hive:
    1) As many already pointed out, 2x is too short, 3x would be better from bees expansion prospective. I have no idea how 3x would be practical in terms of building and keeping...
    2) TB in deep-size full of honey is too heavy. I had a few accidents when honeycomb has collapsed inside the hive from TB, what a mess. So, I am using TBs with some side support and they worked much better than "naked" TBs.
    Серёжа, Sergey

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by NRustica View Post
    That's exactly how I want to get started because all the nucs around here use langstroth frames.
    here is a pic of my tb/lang hybrid.i,m real happy with it.
    http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ca...d4cac.jpg.html

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    I was planning on 48" long using the natural length of a piece of plywood.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by captcatfish View Post
    here is a pic of my tb/lang hybrid.i,m real happy with it.
    http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ca...d4cac.jpg.html
    Nice combination.
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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    NRustica, you may want to go a few inches shy of 48 inches, otherwise you will have to go longer than 48 for the roof, and you end up with a bunch of waste.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    Quote Originally Posted by shannonswyatt View Post
    NRustica, you may want to go a few inches shy of 48 inches, otherwise you will have to go longer than 48 for the roof, and you end up with a bunch of waste.
    Thanks. That sounds like sound advice.

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    Default Re: Conventional Langstroth Frames in Top Bar Hive

    I couldn't find any info on Long Langs doing a search. Anybody have a link?I guess my main question is do the produce the same amount as a conventional Lang?

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