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    Default New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    I think these are mutts but not very good at bee type identification. Some are really dark and some are a little lighter, I'm assuming this is due to different aged bees. Carniolans, germans? Any ideas? Thanks!! P.S. First attempt at pic, if the link doesn't work let me know and I'll try again.

    http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jd...tml?sort=3&o=0

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    My guess would be carniolans.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Ditto, Carnies
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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Suspected they were carnies but I wasn't sure. Thanks!!

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Age has nothing to do with color really. It's mostly dependent on the queen's genetics and different drones she mated with.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    I would go with Carns aswell.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Looks like Honey bees

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepsouth View Post
    Looks like Honey bees
    I concur.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Ahb
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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Good thing those are carnis -- I just bought to Carniolan queens for splits and those look like my existing bees!

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    What color was your queen? You, too, psfred. Thanks.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    They look like Apis mellifera. Much of a bees color is in their hair, which they lose as they grow older. That's why older bees look darker and shinier.
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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    Thanks for the info. I kind of thought they may be honeybees (not much of an imagination there guys, I'm sure your a riot at a party, yawn. Please think a little longer and try to come up with something a little more original, tee hee hee)

    I haven't found the queen yet so I'm not sure of her color, I have only made one inspection. Hopefully I will see her when I open this back up tomorrow

    I will go with Carnis.

    Joseph, I wasn't sure about the older darker fact, this explains the variation from bee to bee. Thanks!!!

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    The reason I said honeybees is because personally I don't see much of a deference in breeds of bees anymore. Some traits may still be there but they are all mutts in my opinion.
    Last edited by honeyman46408; 06-02-2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason: UNQuote

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    The Carni queens were dark amber to nearly black at the tip of the abdomen. Enough darker than "Italian" queens that you would notice.

    However, feral queens around here are darker than Italians, too - I would guess Carnis do really well here and that most of the "feral" bees have some in them. They sure like propolis at any rate.

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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    As Deepsouth said, there really are no honey bees in North America that are purebred subspecies, those sold as if they were are just the breeders attempt to reduce other traits, and increase traits known to be associated with various subspecies. None are truly pure, anymore. They are just what nature permits and/or breeders select for.

    BTW, there are several earlier threads with almost this same subject. Search feature can help. For instance, this Link.
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    Default Re: New nuc - any ideas what kind of bees these are?

    I see your point on "there really are no honey bees in North America that are purebred subspecies". I am new and was reading a page on the different types of honeybees on this site: http://www.beesource.com/resources/u...of-honey-bees/ and it was giving a layout of the different tendencies of subspecies. It was an interesting article but as I'm hearing probably pretty useless as far as visual identification. I guess bees will still carry some of these tendencies but may not be accurately identified visually any longer....... Thanks all for your explanations and patience. I will try to do a more thorough search before I post questions.

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