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    Default Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Is fogging FGMO the real deal or a flash in the pan?

    Anyone have real numbers to share?

    I really don't want to use a chemical miticide and if fogging with FGMO will keep mites at a level low enough that the bees can deal with them, I will surely buy a fogger.

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    I have no experience with fogging with FGMO, but, from reading previous posts, the process was a flash in the pan, the flash occurred a few years ago.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Works for me
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Bee View Post
    Is fogging FGMO the real deal or a flash in the pan?

    Anyone have real numbers to share?

    I really don't want to use a chemical miticide and if fogging with FGMO will keep mites at a level low enough that the bees can deal with them, I will surely buy a fogger.
    I'm doing FGMO fogging thing this year I started 2 weeks ago with ten hives so far things are going well I have low mite counts I see no virus no crawlers and not many mites in the drone brood and all my 10 hives seem happy and going strong but it's still early we will see how it goes . I started a thread on fogging I am going to give it a year and see how it works and let BEE SOURCE know how it goes so 2013 is the year for fogging with FGMO for me then I will know for sure.
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...-fooging-today
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Tried it years ago........did not work for me altho Lowes, HD and other big box stores made a fortune selling foggers.
    http://OxaVap.com
    Your source for Oxalic Acid Vaporizers

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    Smile Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    Tried it years ago........did not work for me altho Lowes, HD and other big box stores made a fortune selling foggers.
    Some say it works some say not I will see I will give it a year and then I will know .
    You having 45 years with bees how do you deal with mites? That's a lot off bee knowledge glad your part of BEE SOURCE.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    I fog with Oxalic Acid........it works, it's natural and it's cheap. Search BS for threads ....there are many that tell all about it...........
    http://OxaVap.com
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    I fog with Oxalic Acid........it works, it's natural and it's cheap. Search BS for threads ....there are many that tell all about it...........
    That's what i'm going to switch to if fogging with FGMO don't work .
    I have read some on it and people seem to like it you can get a set up from the fat bee man.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK View Post
    .... you can get a set up from the fat bee man.
    Don't wait, FGMO does not work for me & most others. Yes you can get a vaporizer from the Fat Bee Man but the one from Heilyser Technology is much cheaper..........
    http://OxaVap.com
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    snl, I've been Googling OA vaporizer treatments for the past half hour and like most other things there are about 50 different methods people use. If you don't mind answering the questions, when do you start treating, do you treat all hives or test first, do you treat mid winter?

    Like GLOCK said, with your 45 years experience, I'd like to know your methods.....

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    I have not used OA for 45 years, just recently. I treat when I see mites in drone brood (after I pull off any supers.) It's a 3 week treatment as the treatments do not kill mites in brood, so you need to do it once weekly for 3 weeks. (That's the brood rearing cycle). I use the vaporizer as directed by Heilyser Tech. I don't close the hive as directed as I find that closing or not closing works (and it's easier not to close) ..but then again I mostly run solid bottom boards. There is much info on BS about this ........search it out....... don't fool yourself on FGMO.

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Bee View Post
    ...I've been Googling OA vaporizer treatments for the past half hour and like most other things there are about 50 different methods people use...
    There is a reference to the Dissertation on beesource somewhere. The dissertation is about different ways of treatment and comparison of different methods (most did not work ). Very impressive study. According the dissertation, OA is equally effective if used as vapor or in dripping - 50 ml (?) of solution evenly "sprayed" between frames using a syringe. In both cases (vapor or drip) the amount of OA per hive is very important - 10% difference caused a serious damage to the bees (too much) or do not kill mites (too low). I do not remember the exact amount. OA is working at the contact. If you need exact amount - I could check my notes for you.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Thanks for the reply snl.

    cerezha, who's dissertation?

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    See http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...edro+Rodriguez

    I am skeptical about fogging with FGMO - especially as so many other substances appear to be added to the mixture being fogged in order for the fog to be effective.

    Fogging does appear to be an effective delivery method for some compounds - including Oxalic Acid, most of which on the market is I'm guessing a synthetic reproduction of a naturally occurring substance. In any event OA is not approved for use in the US as a miticide; that doesn't seem to stop most hobbyists from giving it a whirl.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Randy Oliver has some excellent information on fogging with OA. It has worked very well for me.

    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxal...-2-of-2-parts/

    IMO, dont mess with the dribble method to messy and hard to get the right applicatio rate. Plus you have to take the hive a part and soak the bees. Use the vapor method.



    Here is a of post from my home made OA vaporizer:

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...orizer-Part-II
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Did Randy Oliver ever experiment with fogging FGMO? I don't recall reading anything on his scientific beekeeping site about FGMO fogging for varroa.

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Post Deleted. Link was to OA not FGMO.
    Last edited by Nabber86; 05-28-2013 at 02:46 PM.
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Bee View Post
    ...cerezha, who's dissertation?
    Sorry, I do not remember. The link was on beesource - some graduate student from Arizona (?) I believe. It was really good thesis. I probably have a copy somewhere on my computer - are you interested to read this?
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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by cerezha View Post
    are you interested to read this?
    Yes.

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    Default Re: Does fogging FGMO really work for mite control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Bee View Post
    Yes.
    Enjoy
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.cGE&cad=rja

    Let me know if this link worked.
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