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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Cdiever,
    Do you fog all your hives, or just 6. Would be interesting to see half the hives fogged, and the other half not fogged as a control and drop counts for all.

  2. #102
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Well everyone things are changing with my mite counts and 20 and over on the sticky board in 24 hours all happen real fast about a week any way I ordered a oxalic acid vaporizer and going to do all my year plus hives I don't want to lose my hives and I am not waiting for PMS or DWV show up I know how fast the VARROA can take over so I don't think I will be fogging my year old hives any more this year the next 3 weeks is going to be oxalic acid treatment and get them ready for winter.
    I'm still going to fog my nucs and maybe next year fog them with essential oils of some kind but for this year no more fogging the big hives .
    I'll post the mite count when I do a oxalic acid treatment .
    Thanks everyone and I must say all my bee are healthy and much better then last year and i'm sure fogging helped but I don't think it will work alone got to remember i'm am on small cell for most my hives also and all but one had a brood break .
    Happy beeing.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  3. #103
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    My 2 strongest hives are going down hill fast, I had only fogged once, started too late. I'm with you Glock, not going to wait until they collapse to start treating them....

  4. #104
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    I look forward to the results of your mite count.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  5. #105
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Robbin,
    I have 12 hives in my back yard and fog them all. My first fogging was May 17; and then fogged every two weeks. However, when I saw that one hive with a 50 mite count /24 hours, I started fogging every week.
    I should have monitored every hive - just too lazy.
    I do not know why the spearmint oil is added to the FGMO. I suppose that it adds a smell so that the bees will groom more.
    Charlie

    12 hives zone 5

  6. #106
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    I’ve got freeman beetle traps under 5 out of 6 hives and I’ve really eliminated my SHB threat with them. Beetles get chased down there and drown, any larva that try to climb out to reach the ground, drown. I was hoping for some effect on the mites. Doesn’t look like it, They obviously don’t crawl back up and re-infect much. All my bearding had stopped on my two largest hives. No sign of swarms. So I was really getting concerned about mites.
    I changed my oil last week and I used NEW, unused oil so it was nice and clear, And I fogged for the first time. I went out and fogged yesterday (2nd time) and pulled the oil trays back on the two largest hives. After a week, I found 1 SHB in each. Dozens of roaches in each, and tons of mites. I’ve never done a mite count as I keep oil trays on all the time. But I was really surprised. No doubt my numbers are dwindling due to heavy mite infestation. I’m seriously considering using check mite, I don’t want to lose either of my big strong hives. No way to tell if the large mite drop was caused by the fogging, thou I’m sure it had some effect. I may pull my trays and do some drop counts. I just can’t kill bees to count mites. I’ll most likely break down and use check mite before something really bad happens. When you’ve only got 6 hives, it doesn’t take much to put you out of business….
    Robbin

  7. #107
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Ok everyone it like this I did oxalic acid vaporizer treatment on my year old hives that have been fogged every week since may and the mite drop on the hive I gave a brood break first this past spring has dropped around 600 mites since WED. night this is SAT morning .
    Then the hive I had not given a brood break dropped the next highest at around 300 . The hives that where queenless the longest seem to have the lower mite counts but all are dropping more mites then I was seeing with fogging . Plus the mite that are dropping now look darker .
    I don't think fogging and brood breaks alone are enough to keep your mites in check but oxalic acid vaporizing may be just what will work for VARROA It pretty easy to do and there are lots of dead mites on the sticky boards . After a 3 week treatment I will do alcohol washes on all my hives and post the findings. Peace.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  8. #108
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, the hives you are treating with OA, are they broodless? Can vaporized OA be used at anytime?
    Sand Plum Honey Farm

  9. #109
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, that is an impressive mite drop, I vaporized my hives in September of last year and during a quick inspection last weekend I pulled more than a dozen drone brood and found only 1 mite. All my best to you with your hives.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  10. #110
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by WWW View Post
    Glock, that is an impressive mite drop, I vaporized my hives in September of last year and during a quick inspection last weekend I pulled more than a dozen drone brood and found only 1 mite. All my best to you with your hives.
    Low mite counts are nice but my mite counts looked low I was fogging I figured everything was good and it is all my bees are doing great but they have some mites more then I should so if a oxalic acid vapourizer keeps them healthy i'm go to make it part of my pest management but for fogging with just FGMO does not keep the mite where they need to be to make me happy I don't like the idea of watching hives die slowly to PMS I seen it last year and this year no signs of it any where in my bee yards and I want to keep it that way.



    And I have brood in all my hives right now and all are healthy.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  11. #111
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    GLOCK - thanks for reporting your results on the mite drops with the OA vaporizing. I gotta say, I was skeptical about the efficacy of fogging, but was hoping your experiment would prove otherwise. However, a 600 mite drop on a hive that has been FGMO fogged weekly For 3 or 4 months doesn't sound to me that all that fogging has done much good.

    Seems to me that with how effective the OA treatment is, the fogging, at best, is just background noise. Do you still feel that the fogging is helping enough with the mites to be worth continuing?
    --shinbone
    (3rd year, 14 hives, Zone 5b, 5400 ft, 15.8" annual rainfall)

  12. #112
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, by what you have described it would appear that the FGMO fogging kept your hives healthy enough to just barely avoid pms, dwv, and other related symptoms but at the same time the bees may not have had the ability to make it through the winter ok. Perhaps this has always been what was behind the question of whether FGMO really works. Your summer of fogging has been an eye opener.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  13. #113
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Thanks for sharing all of this especially when the results were not what you hoped for. I really wonder now what would he happened if as mentioned ( by Reader I think) you could have used half of your hives as a control. I completely understand why you didn't though. We all do what we judge to be best, and very few people are able to sacrifice half there hives to get better science out of our experiments. We do whatever we do because we hope it will work on all of them.

    Thanks again for the contribution to the community and good luck.
    Since '09-25H-T-Z6b

  14. #114
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock,

    Thanks for taking the time to report your findings with fogging. Some do just fine with fogging, while others can have catastrophic results. I guess if someone is going to try it, they need to be vigilant and have a Plan B ready to go in the event it does not work for them.

    For OA Vapor use in our region, three treatments one week apart in August, then one more treatment on a warm day between Thanksgiving and Christmas when they are broodless, should do the trick.
    To everything there is a season....

  15. #115
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, regardless of the outcome, ThankYou for your time and effort towards your Bee's, but more so, Thank You for your time and energy sharing your outcome in these posts. I realize how much you have shared with all of us who have read your Threads and it is noted that you are devoted and systematic and you shared that with us, helping us learn through you!
    Best Regards to a you and your Girls!
    "Some of it's Magic, and Some if it's Tragic!" Jimmy Buffet

  16. #116
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Yeah, thanks, I appreciate these first-hand accounts.
    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

  17. #117
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Just to let everyone know all the hives I have been treating with oxalic acid vaporizing are dropping mites like rain . I can not beleave how many mite my bees had they all seemed healthy but man a lot of mite have dropped off all my hives.
    Two have had over a 1000 mites drop since this past WED. .
    I had a 3 deep nuc that I put in a DBL deep less then a month ago and I treat it and even that one is dropping mite like over 50 a day {I did that one on SAT}. I might have to treat my nucs.
    I am a isolated beekeeper there are no other beekeepers for miles so I wonder did the mite population just grow in my beeyards? Where do the mites come from? Any way to all the beekeepers thinking about fogging as your only weapon against VARROA better rethink it . Reason I did this fogging thread was so that all that follow BS know the truth about fogging It dose not work alone for sure I kinda wonder if it worked at all but my bees where acting healthy the whole time but they where VARROA infested and I go by experience and facts.
    Well I am getting ready for winter with oxalic acid vaporizing and making sure all have honey and happy healthy bees.
    Thanks and all I have wrote is facts straight from my bee yards fogging did not fix my VARROA problem but oxalic acid vaporizing kicking but .
    peace.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  18. #118
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    GLOCK- Thanks again for reporting your experience with fogging with FMGO. It is valuable information to the beekeeping community.

    Based on your reports, I am ordering an OA vaporizer.
    Last edited by shinbone; 08-26-2013 at 07:52 AM.
    --shinbone
    (3rd year, 14 hives, Zone 5b, 5400 ft, 15.8" annual rainfall)

  19. #119
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, do you give up fogging or not? Studies I read showed as much as 30% fewer mites. At half that, is it worth fogging? It doesn't cost a lot, and it's pretty easy. But if you are going to be driven to treatment anyway, is it worth it? Or is it worth it between treatments to keep mites down?

    Thanks...

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbin View Post
    It doesn't cost a lot, and it's pretty easy.
    At the price I'm paying for Oxalic acid, it's $.03/dose and about 5min. per colony. X3 treatments. Pretty cheap. Pretty easy.
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