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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinbone View Post
    Beregondo - Thanks for the info.

    I think it is safe to say that it is well known that thymol helps control mites. Personally, I used Apiguard last Fall and witnessed big mite drops and low mite counts the following Spring.

    Does fogging with FGMO add anything to the effects of using thymol on the hives, or is fogging with FGMO and thymol just another delivery method for thymol??
    I think he does a thymol treatment separately and apart from FGMO fogging.. I know he had a vid with a frame mounted thymol crystal holder mounted in it some time ago..

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinbone View Post
    Just wondering out loud before I go buy a fogger and invest the time to start weekly fogging my dozen hives.
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    snl - lol . . . exactly what I am worried about.
    --shinbone
    (3rd year, 14 hives, Zone 5b, 5400 ft, 15.8" annual rainfall)

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Up date= So the only hive {1 out of ten} just fogged and did not do any other IPM I had put a drone frame In the hive the start of JULY and took it out today and did a mite count on that and the count was 10 per hundred cells now I don't know if that high or what but last year I had hives with 150 = aday mite drops on sticky boards and this hive only had 5 in two days? I can see mite pretty easily now days and don't see any on my bees or brood just in that drone frame. I'm not seeing any DWV or sick bees just healthy bees and I made 17 nucs this year and had a great honey crop and my bee's very nice this year so some thing is going right what do ya all think about the mite count?
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock - Thanks for the info - great job !

    I started fogging my bees May 17 on a two week schedule. I am fogging 9 hives, two nucs started this spring, and a swarm captured at a neighbor's tree. I am using FGMO with 15 drops of spearmint oil.
    July 12, I placed sticky boards with petroleum jelly under 5 hives for 24 hours.
    results were 0, 0 , 2, 3 and 50 mites. The hive with fifty mites was my largest hive last year, in a deep and 2 mediums.
    I fogged this hive two days later and am now fogging it every week .

    Over all, my bees look good -I have not taken off any honey yet -we have had enough rain to keep things blooming, so the bees are still working hard.
    Charlie
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    GLOCK - glad to hear that you are happy with how the fogging is working for you. Please continue to keep us posted on your progress.

    Cdevier - glad to hear that another fogger has joined the thread. Again, please keep us posted on how it works for you.

    I hope you both get great results, so that we have another weapon in the fight against varroa mites.
    --shinbone
    (3rd year, 14 hives, Zone 5b, 5400 ft, 15.8" annual rainfall)

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    To reply to the post asking is anyone using JUST FGMO as treatement... my answer is yes. My uncle who has been keeping bees for 30 years uses FGMO as his only form of treatment. His results are impressive to say the least.
    Keep in mind he used to have 75 hives, all treated with FGMO. He is now down to 6 only because he is 78 and it is all he needs. He used to sell honey and a lot of it when he had 75 hives.
    The Government has an "interest" in other forms of chemical treatments, thus it's "definition" as approved organic treatments.

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdevier View Post
    Glock - Thanks for the info - great job !

    I started fogging my bees May 17 on a two week schedule. I am fogging 9 hives, two nucs started this spring, and a swarm captured at a neighbor's tree. I am using FGMO with 15 drops of spearmint oil.
    July 12, I placed sticky boards with petroleum jelly under 5 hives for 24 hours.
    results were 0, 0 , 2, 3 and 50 mites. The hive with fifty mites was my largest hive last year, in a deep and 2 mediums.
    I fogged this hive two days later and am now fogging it every week .

    Over all, my bees look good -I have not taken off any honey yet -we have had enough rain to keep things blooming, so the bees are still working hard.
    Charlie
    13 hives zone5
    Charlie, I assume the hive with 50 had never been fogged, or at least wasn't included in the current fog treatement cycle?
    You counted on five hives, I'll be watching for your next treatment and count. I've never fogged, haven't bought the gear yet. But if you get good results on the 50 count hive as well, I'm going to guy a fogger.
    Glock, Keep us updated.
    Thanks,
    Robbin

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock - Keep us all updated through the end of the year. Interesting results and something to consider.

    On the organic note, while hives might be "contained" or secluded for a period to certify as organic, I would find it hard to believe that a critter that can forage across a 3 mile radius can be really labeled as organic. While the hive you are using might be organic, they sure could be picking up lots of stuff that wouldn't be considered organic.

    See it all the time around here. One farm is organic, but the water used to irrigate comes through a ditch through the middle of one of the heaviest users of herbicide and pesticides, just up canal about 300 feet. And that ag cat pilot is good, but don't think he can stop that spray of whatever from moving the 10 feet from edge of field to canal bank. Just based on what I see.

    I know it is all tested, but I see some things that make me want to think Hmmmm.

    Glock - Keep us posted.

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Robbin, Yes, the hive with 50 mite count had been fogged 4 times -two to three weeks apart. Why it droped so many mites is a mystery to me. Maybe I did not use enough fog in it.

    I gave it an extra midweek fogging , and now will fog each week. I will fog all hives today and do a mite check next week.
    Charlie

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    AUG. 4 and all is going great in my beeyards . I was in all my hives today{11 hives and 15 DBL.nucs } and every one is strong and growing.
    My mite loads are low I have had the inserts in all my SBBs since are night time temps. have been below 50 and I pulled them out and the most mites I seen on one insert was 7 and the inserts have been in since last sunday . I have no virus in any of my 3 beeyards no DWV crawlers just healthy happy bees.
    This year has been a very nice year It looks like i'm going to go into winter with 26 hives . I have 3 nucs right now that have QC that should hatch any day and I have one hive with a virgin that has not started to lay yet but should by next week the rest are laying very well should have great winter bees. .Fogging with FGMO sure has worked with me all bees are healthy and happy even JULY and AUG. they have been nice just pleasurable.
    Any one has any questions or would like any pics. feel free to PM me anytime . I know one thing when ya get the mites under control beekeeping get easier and more pleasurable. And ya get a pile of honey I have so much honey I started to give it a way .
    I'm going to keep this thread going in to next year so all knows how my hive do going through fall and winter in to spring I will only bee fogging from this point on . One thing to remind every one most of my hive are on 4.9 cell but not all.
    Hope every ones bees are doing well.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    HI Glock,
    What exactly are you putting in the fogger?

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    I'll be keeping up with this thread.

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Watched the Fat beeman video, looks like pure FGMO in the fogger, My fogger arrived today. I'll start fogging Friday morning....

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Beeman View Post
    To reply to the post asking is anyone using JUST FGMO as treatement... my answer is yes. My uncle who has been keeping bees for 30 years uses FGMO as his only form of treatment. His results are impressive to say the least.
    Did your uncle comment on the frequency of application and any other fine details?


    Glock - truly appreciate the information. I know this isn't a study with controls and single variables, but I truly appreciate reading your results.

    So basically you are fogging for 20 seconds per hive weekly with pure oil and honey supers are on. You started this practice in the spring and have carried on through since that time?

    I like Michael Bush's philosophy about stabilizing the mite population and then regressing to ultimately get off the "juice". From his book I gleaned that he used FGMO for two years to do just that (he used oxalic too if memory serves). I know that next year I currently plan on a similar approach to phase out mites and any treatments if possible (though regression will likely take more time than that). Looks like FGMO might be a great way to do this.
    Last edited by Beelosopher; 08-07-2013 at 12:18 PM.

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beelosopher View Post
    Did your uncle comment on the frequency of application and any other fine details?

    I like Michael Bush's philosophy about stabilizing the mite population and then regressing to ultimately get off the "juice". From his book I gleaned that he used FGMO for two years to do just that (he used oxalic too if memory serves). .
    Next year I plan on not fogging as much do away with drone frames altogether {I only used them to look at my mite loads} I only used them 4 times on 4 different hives just to see the different mite loads so I really did not use them the most I could of I had some heavy mite loads going in to winter last year and lost 9 out of 19 but some where weak guessing they where weak from mite loads and my mistakes .
    I am just trying to give the bees a fighting chance and this seems to be working .One day treatment free maybe but for now fogging seems to be doing well.
    And just to ad I have one hive that was throw some drones out and I gathered up 8 and did a look see under 3 power reading glasses and there was no mites all looked healthy makes me happy.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beelosopher View Post
    Did your uncle comment on the frequency of application and any other fine details?

    I like Michael Bush's philosophy about stabilizing the mite population and then regressing to ultimately get off the "juice". From his book I gleaned that he used FGMO for two years to do just that (he used oxalic too if memory serves). .
    Next year I plan on not fogging as much do away with drone frames altogether {I only used them to look at my mite loads} I only used them 4 times on 4 different hives just to see the different mite loads so I really did not use them the most I could of I had some heavy mite loads going in to winter last year and lost 9 out of 19 but some where weak guessing they where weak from mite loads and my mistakes .
    I am just trying to give the bees a fighting chance and this seems to be working .One day treatment free maybe but for now fogging seems to be doing well.
    And just to ad I have one hive that was throw some drones out and I gathered up 8 and did a look see under 3 power reading glasses and there was no mites all looked healthy makes me happy.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Glock, I'm pulling for your success against the mites! Losing that many hives has to be a shocker.

    I wonder how you feel about the different 'roll' or 'wash' or 'shake' tests. These tests (ether roll, powdered sugar shake, alcohol wash, even soapy water wash) are supposed to be the best tests (read 'most scientific') for estimating mite populations. When you declare success or failure on this venture, the more scientific your data, the more of us will join you in your conclusion, whatever it is. Please understand, I'm not picking a fight here, just a friendly question -I want you to succeed.
    LeeB
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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Well I could to a better test like a alcohol wash and I think I will I just have been procrastinating making the shaker and everything look so good and no problems so I have figured why bother . I will do it in the next couple days and I bet it going to be low . give me till sunday.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

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    Default Re: Started fogging today.

    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK View Post
    .....give me till sunday.
    I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation.

    Thanks for not taking offense Glock! :twothumbsup:
    LeeB
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