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    Default Re: Monsanto GMO products contribute to ccd

    I just ate a ham sandwich. Surely the hog was fed all his life on GMO Soybean and GMO Corn. The sandwich tasted no different to me than the hogs we used to pasture feed.

    Is there any evidence that the GMO Sandwich was not good for me.... biologically, medically, scientifically? Staying away from the social issues.
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    nope,
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    Default Re: Monsanto GMO products contribute to ccd

    How about if you ate cornbread and soy tofu instead?

    I eat alot of bacon myself, so I'm not preaching here, just making an observation.

    We've created a system where we have to overproduce crops so that we can all have our bacon, burgers, fried chicken, etc. .

    And, oh yeah, plenty of sugar.

    Our diet is made possible by GM technology.

    Frankly, the only way for it to work is to have those GM crops as the cornerstone to every other food product that follows.

    Someone built the system stone, by stone.

    So, maybe, just maybe, our GM 'foodchain' could impact our health as a nation overall.

    It's part of our culture, and who we are.

    I'm not complaining because I like being able to eat all kinds of food at a good price.

    But, am I really eating a 'healthy' diet as someone at the top of the GM foodchain?

    How about this one...

    Is it really healthy to feed soy sub and HFCS to our bees?

    We don't just eat it ourselves, we're even feeding it to our bees!

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    Sure.. anything in excess is not a good thing. But these are personal decisions and do not indicate that the GMO product itself is bad for the individual... just in excess. Wasn't it WLC who pointed out how much H2O it took to poison a human?

    As far as sub and HFCS, that has been pounded to sand.... ad nauseum... better than starvation.
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    hpm:

    I spent 4 years of my life overseas.

    I'm telling you that they have (or should I say had) a very different system, with some very different food choices.

    You've heard of the Mediterranean diet, right?

    Well, we eat way too much processed food here because it's so cheap. I go to the supermarket and read labels. While it doesn't say made with GM products, you can almost tell which ones were because of the price.

    Cheap, processed food, and plenty of it thanks to GM technology.

    However, I wouldn't call it a truly healthy diet.

    Extra sugar. Extra salt. Mmm good!

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    Default Re: Monsanto GMO products contribute to ccd

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    The union of concerned scientists seem to think that it's '...Amoral and Unsustainable...'.
    The Union of Concerned Scientists is an enviro-political activist organization who's staff makes big money:

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    With salaries like that, they must know something!

    Heh, heh.

    People, let's face it. Our diet is about consumption.

    We all pick up the supermarket circular to see what's on sale.

    I know that a bunch of you have that propane grill all cleaned up with a fresh tank of gas underneath.

    Is there anything that you put on that grill that isn't a direct or indirect GM product?

    OK, so you caught a fish. But, was it stocked?

    Of course sub and HFCS is better than starvation, and it makes economic sense.

    Have I made my point about how GM is related to our diet/health?

    I've made myself hungry talking about this, so let me walk over to KFC for a bucket.

    WLC.

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    WLC:

    I am in complete agreement with your dietary theories.
    But does it matter that my 'Etame" comes from a GMO soybean? As far as I can tell..... no.
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    What's different about the health of the average US national/resident when compared to the rest of the world?

    I don't remember off of the top of my head, but I do know that I occasionally read about diabetes being on the rise.

    hpm:

    It's not that it's bad food. We just like eating it perhaps a little too much.

    That's one of the things about being on top of the GM food chain.

    I'm not complaining. There was nothing new on my recent CT scan...

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    Default Re: Monsanto GMO products contribute to ccd

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    With salaries like that, they must know something!

    Have I made my point about how GM is related to our diet/health?
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    Not really. To a great degree eating and living healthy is within everyones grasp. It involves choosing healthy foods, eating in moderation and living an active and healthy lifestyle. There is plenty of good stuff in every grocery store though I will grant you there is far more shelf space dedicated to junk food. Sadly, though, for many they choose to load the grocery cart down with 12 packs of Mountain Dew, $7 dollar boxes of sugar coated cereal and the "buy 2 get 1 free" jumbo bags of potato chips. Ahh yes but no grocery store visit is complete without grabbing the magazine at the checkout counter that has news of the latest miracle diet program. Obesity isnt Monsanto's fault its ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I go to the supermarket and read labels. While it doesn't say made with GM products, you can almost tell which ones were because of the price.
    where do you come up with this stuff? you can tell which food products are that of GM because of the price??? GM food has nothing to do with how its priced, thats dictated by world commodity trade. Are you referring to GM tech allowing the world to produce more food, thus decreasing the overall price on food? Then yes, but ALL food regardless if its GM or Non GM or organic is priced accordingly.
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    Default Re: Monsanto GMO products contribute to ccd

    I've said this before:

    Monsanto is the American Id. We ARE Monsanto.

    But, bringing it back to beekeeping...

    so ARE our bees!

    We eat it ourselves, and we also feed it to our bees.

    Does this mean that our Honeybees are on top of the GM foodchain as well?

    Maybe.

    The winter losses are still at around 30%.

    Perhaps it's a reflection of our own health status?

    This whole 'GM Foodchain' analogy is a bit of a stretch, but it does address the health issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Cheap, processed food, and plenty of it thanks to GM technology.
    again, absolutely nothing to do with GM tech
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    Ian:

    GM tech will feed the entire world in short order.

    That is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post

    The winter losses are still at around 30%.
    Varroa, Nosema, DWV, weather, queen problems, loss of abundant forage,
    bit of a stretch linking 30% losses and bee health problems all to GM tech
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Ian:

    GM tech will feed the entire world in short order.

    That is the point.
    what does that matter, there is no link to health concerns that you have been addressing, you cant simply tag all of our food and health related problems to GM tech.
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    "...you cant simply tag all of our food and health related problems to GM tech."

    Given enough time, I probably could.

    Sort of like the 'overpaid' Union of Concerned Scientists.

    Ian:

    Monsanto is as powerful as it has become for a good reason. They're awfully close to controlling the world's food supply.

    Don't feel so bad. Have a Coke and a tube of Pringles. You'll feel better.

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    WLC:

    It seems as though your objection is mainly based on the idea that Monsanto is a Monopoly. If so, then I can relate to that... but how long does a patent on GMO corn, soybean, canola, last?
    Will it not be like RoundUp? Many manufacturers for Glyphosphate.
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    >>Given enough time, I probably could.<<

    GM tech has been used on our farm for 15 plus years, and the focus on GM food has been priority by many many lobby groups for well over 20 years. Youd think with all attention and motivation of these lobby groups and the amount of time they have had to dig something up, they would of come up with something, anything, other than , "evil Monsanto"

    >>Don't feel so bad. Have a Coke and a tube of Pringles. You'll feel better.<<

    and that is the point you keep making time and time again, the thing, is our diet is a cultural issue
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    WLC, do you recognize any of the benefits that GM cropping tech has brought the Ag industry?
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