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  1. #1
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    Default Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    I installed 3 pound packages three days ago into a few different hives. I checked and all Queens were released. The hives are REALLY eager to work, they even pushed out the grass that I plugged the entrances with in order to begin their flights. I noticed 1 hive had a fair amount of drawn comb already and there were eggs laid as well. I saw a few cells that did have 2 eggs in them.

    Can this be common during the first few days/weeks after an install, until things get, "settled?" Or....should I be concerned already about something bad taking place, such as a laying worker/ Thanks, juzzer

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    For me personally, I would try hard to resist being worried about anything at only 3 days post-installation. It isn't easy, though.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    I would wait and check again 10 to 14 days after install. I had ten percent of my package hives this spring that were drone layer.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    a bit more info would help. but anyhow, If these are new frames with no comb or little open comb on old frames then it is simply a case that the queen is laying more eggs that there is space, so she is doubleing up. if they are in the bottem of the cell they are probably from the queen.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Queens just starting often lay double eggs...

    http://bushfarms.com/beesfallacies.htm#doubleeggs
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Three days after install...I am with Mr Bush. It's a young queen...give her a few days and she will figure it out.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Hate to burst your bubble, but you should not be deep enough into the hive at three days to see eggs! Give them some time and let the queen establish herself. If you want to see bees in action get and observation hive.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Mrobisr- Don't feel bad you weren't able to burst my bubble. I needed to take the Queen cages out and I took a quick look as I pulled some comb off of the top bars so it would be a problem when I did my inspection. The hive is only 1 medium at this time so I wasn't doing much digging. I am still floating high and happy on my bubble. Thanks anyway, juzzer

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Michael B - I really like your bee fallacies section on your site! Thank you for sharing.

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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    I have heard that young queens will lay more than one eg per cell. I have also heard that fertile queens that have been prevented from laying or with limited spce to lay may also lay more than one egg per cell. Another way to diagnose layign workers is that often teh eggs from a layign worker will not be in teh center of teh botom of teh cell and they may also be placed on the wall of the cell.
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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    >Another way to diagnose layign workers is that often teh eggs from a layign worker will not be in teh center of teh botom of teh cell and they may also be placed on the wall of the cell.

    The only issue with that is that drone laying queens who were mated late do also.

    "I should also, Sir, describe to you the remarkable manner in which the queens that lay only drone eggs deposit them sometimes in the cells. They do not always place them upon the lozenges forming the bottom of the cells, but often deposit them upon the lower side, two lines (11/64th in. or 4mm) from the mouth. The reason of this is that their belly is shorter than those of queens whose fecundation has not been retarded, their posterior extremity remains slender, while the first two rings next the corselet are extraordinarily enlarged: it results from this that, when they dispose themselves for laying, their anus cannot extend down to the lozenges at the bottom of the cells: the enlargement of the rings not permitting it; and consequently the eggs must remain attached to the part reached by the anus. The larvae proceeding from these spend their vermicular state in the same place, which proves that bees are not entrusted with the care of transporting the eggs of the queen, as had been presumed. But in this case they follow another plan; they lengthen the cells in which eggs are thus placed 2 lines beyond their opening. Note: This observation also teaches us that the eggs of bees need not be fixed by one end at the bottom of the cells in order to be fertile."--Francis Huber, Huber's New Observations Upon Bees, Vol I 3rd Letter
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    Default Re: Laying worker after 3 days of installing?

    Quote Originally Posted by juzzerbee View Post
    Mrobisr- Don't feel bad you weren't able to burst my bubble. I needed to take the Queen cages out and I took a quick look as I pulled some comb off of the top bars so it would be a problem when I did my inspection. The hive is only 1 medium at this time so I wasn't doing much digging. I am still floating high and happy on my bubble. Thanks anyway, juzzer
    Good to hear! I have been around bees practically my entire life with the exception of some Army time and they still fascinate me. Keep floating it only gets better.

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