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    Default fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    I found a queen in a hive I was taking apart. There was only a handful of bees and a queen. What is even more amazing is that before I found the queen I saw a frame with eggs. I thought the eggs must be from last fall, but the eggs looked fresh. The hive next to this found queen is queenless. I put the found queen by the entrance of the queenless hive and she flew up. I caught the queen again and released her through the inner cover. I did not have a queen cage with me. I hope the queenless hive accepts her. I gave the queenless hive a frame of brood/eggs a few days ago. To complicate matters the hive with a handful of bees also had small hive beetles. I took apart the hive and made two piles, the frames I would keep and the frames I would discard. Frames with shb are nasty and we do not have this problem to a great degree up north. In a couple of weeks I will put the hive back together again and install a package. I almost wish I could rent freezer space for the frames with shb. The hive was two deeps. What do you do with the nasty shb frames? Some of the honey frames I can save and give back to the bees when I install a package. One of the big problem is freezer room.
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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    Easy, either wear a pair of rubber gloves to clean them or throw them away.
    I'm not sure if the smell will attract other shb afterward though.
    If it were me I would use the new frames.

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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    Hi Beepro,
    I set aside frames I will toss. There are some frames with honey that I may keep for the bees but some of the honey in the frame is a little fermented. I think tomorrow I will take a blow torch and flame the inside of the deeps and also the bottom board. I will put a package into the hive again.
    Here is the odd part of this story. There were only 3 to 4 bees in the failed hive and a queen. The queen is laying eggs! The queen is not fat and she is a light brown color. When I placed the queen in my hand and folded my hand around her she seemed glad for the warmth. I was hoping she would just walk into the queen less hive but not so. I did a direct release on top of the inner cover. The queen less hive is queen less because the queen died in the cage. I installed a package of bees in this hive almost a month ago. I am hopeful because the queen less hive has nurse bees and the nurse bees are around the inner cover by the mason jar of syrup. I installed a frame of capped brood days ago. I am waiting for a mated queen to arrive by mail and this is why I installed the frame of capped brood. The little queen deserves a chance. The little queen would have died if she did not get into the queen less hive that night. There are plenty of bees in the queen less hive and nurse bees. I did not have a queen cage with me. I did not expect to see a laying queen and four bees.
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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    Even when what seems impossible, a queen must do what a queen's job is that is to lay lay and lay more eggs when the time comes.
    This is a tough little Italian queen bee. What you could do is to split this hive into 2 nucs, one for this queen and one for the new
    mail order queen. Should one fail then you can recombine the hive otherwise you will have 2 hives to compare things to. If you
    have other healthy hives you can help both nuc hives to grow even faster. From less than 1 frame hive with a new laying queen,
    I split into 5 nucs. Then later split again for one more nuc hive. I balance out all these hives by adding a frame of bees and nurse
    bees into the weaker hives. Hive balance is the key here to help each others out.

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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    dups

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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    The two hives that were next to this tough little queen hive are 25 day old packages. One package has a laying queen with capped brood one and a half frame worth. The other package lost it's queen. I ordered a mated queen and she will come by mail next week. I prepared the hive for the mated queen by adding the frame of brood. I saw this queen and I placed her in the queen less hive. What else could I do? I will check for queen acceptance. Hopefully, the tough little queen was accepted. I won't check until the mated queen arrives by mail. Well, if the tough little queen has been accepted then I don't need the mated queen. I can take a frame of brood from another set of hives and make a small nuc. This year brood build up is slow.

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    Default Re: fresh eggs, a handful of bees and a queen

    Now I understand your situation better. Is there any way you could get one frame or 2 of bees and larvae from another beekeeper nearby? The 25 day hive need time to establish to replace the old bees that will die within another week or 2. If you take the brood out then you will weaken this hive. Beekeepers say rather have a strong hive than 2 or 3 weaker hives that take the whole season to build up. It is better to get some frame of bees from somewhere else.
    Because it takes about one month to have the first batch of new bees.
    I called a local beekeeper for a frame of bees from late last winter. He never thought about selling individual frame before.
    In your situation I would recommend to take 1 or 2 frames of worker bees from both existing hive to form a nuc. Then place this mail order queen inside. Leave the original brood for the existing hive to build up some more. The worker bees must be strong to take care of the new nuc. If the little queen
    does not make it then recombine the 2 frames with the queen less hive. Or another option is to put the new queen in the nuc to see if she make it or not. You should know when everything is good or not in about 2 weeks. Oh, feed feed and feed them some more even when natural resources are coming in.

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