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  1. #1
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    Default Deep box question

    I'm a new bee keeper this year. I'm also a cabinet maker by trade, so I decided it'd be no problem building my boxes and covers. I placed a late order for a nut, and procrastinated on making my boxes. Well low and behold they called and told me my nuc was ready to be picked up last monday. I made an appointment for wednesday night knowing very well that my boxes weren't even finished. How hard could it be for a cabinet maker to whip together two deep boxes, 15 frames with plastic foundation, a top feeder, an inner cover, a telescoping cover, and a screen bottom board in one night and then prime and paint it?

    Well, I managed. I picked up my nuc on wednesday night. The bee keeper told me to immediately add a second deep and to feed them once. I took the nuc home and sat it on top of my shiny new hive and removed the foam from the nuc box entrance and watched as the first few bees ventured out. It was pretty cool to see. So I decided that they had been traumatized enough with their new surroundings and I was going to give them a day before i installed them in my new hive. So Friday, I got geared up. I sprayed all the frames in both boxes with a 1:1 syrup with Pro Health added in. I carefully installed the five frames in the same order in the bottom box. I quickly looked them over for a queen, but I'm about as observant as a 6 month old and didn't see her. I then added the other five frames and the second box. I gave them a gallon of 1:1 with pro health and closed everything up. Over the past few days I've observed the bees flying out and returning completely loaded with pollen. It's encouraging to see I assume. But yesterday while I was satisfying my obsession with the bees, I noticed that in my haste, I completely forgot to cut down the second deep box. So it's a full 11 1/4" deep. I've been wrestling with this in my mind, and am convinced that there is a reason that they are supposed to be 9 5/8" and that my queen won't go upstairs to lay.

    My questions are how imperative is it to get that second one off and cut down? Is it something that I should do immediately? I'd say 3 1/2 frames of the nuc were capped, but I'm new, so I don't really know what the heck I was looking at. I think the earliest I'll be able to get to it will be saturday. Is that soon enough? Am I wrong about the queen not going up? Also, I've noticed that the workers really seem to like hanging out in my hand holes that are cut into the boxes. Is that normal? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  2. #2
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    I would go ahead and take the second box off to cut it down. It will be several weeks probable before they need that second deep!

  3. #3
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    If you don't take Serendipity's advice you will find the bees have built comb in the space between the top frames and the bottom ones.

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    If you don't cut the box down, the bees will drop comb from the bottom bars in the top box, down to within 3/8 inch of the top of the top bars in the bottom box. Your bees will go up regardless. I would make another deep. Transfer the combs and any bees to the new deep. It is unlikely that they will drop that comb very soon. After all, they are just building up. Even if they do, you can scrape off that portion of the comb that they dropped and then have the correct bee space. In the meantime, cut the original 2d chamber to height of 9 5/8 inch.

    Don't really believe you would need a 2d chamber this soon. Not a good idea to put the 2d chamber on until you have bees covering 7 to 8 frames of the first deep. That will give you time to cut the 2d one off.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleo C. Hogan Jr View Post
    Don't really believe you would need a 2d chamber this soon. Not a good idea to put the 2d chamber on until you have bees covering 7 to 8 frames of the first deep. That will give you time to cut the 2d one off.

    cchoganjr
    Thats what I had planned on doing, but since the person who sold me the nuc instructed me to do so, I went ahead and did it. Is there a negative to giving them too much room?

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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Don't feel bad, I did the same thing. I just fired up the saw and cut them all down to 8 5/8, and then down to mediums. Oops.

  7. #7
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Is there a negative to giving them too much room?
    Yes, having too much space to defend can actually set them back.

    Rusty

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    Default Re: Deep box question

    One of the negatives to a large open box is the loss of heat on cooler nights like most of the country has been getting. Without enough bees to regulate the heat on the frames they do have, potentially damage to the capped brood and any larvae that may have been recently laid and set back development. Think in terms of "winter kill" as you read threads and the how and whys most beeks are careful putting on extra boxes in temperature swings. Few more weeks and hopefully you should really need that box!

    Congrats on the new girls! Keep us posted.

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    Default Re: Deep box question

    They would probably just start moving up and not draw out the remainder of frames in the bottom!

  10. #10
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Is there a negative to giving them too much room?

    Yes, if it is still cold by you.

    Our packages and survivors are still in one deep, until they fill that deep. That should happen next round.


    Crazy

  11. #11
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Also if it is new foundation they will not fill the end frames out until last. take the top box of wait until they have filled out all but 3, then put your next box on. If they get to crowded they will swarm, if they have to much room they will sometimes obscond.
    All beekeepers can agree on one thing, and that one thing is, that all beekeepers can't agree on one thing.

  12. #12
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    Default Re: Deep box question

    Cut it down and move on. There's always something else to worry about that will take the place of any issue you're dealing with at the moment!!!
    "My wife always wanted girls. Just not thousands and thousands of them......"

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